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Agitatorn
Ok thank you all for your input about this flag and i finally decided to walk away, the seller seemed very nice and let me check it at auction house she was an old woman no collector and she did not have a clue of value, just said it was from her dead husband. i trust the old lady but i guess her husband bougth this in the 80ies in good belief. do you you know when they started repro this flag?? maybe its been goin on since the fall of the reich. sorry for crappy english. thank you all.
Hello Tobias! Did you leave that flag? Im from Finland,and i have flag that have almost same stamps. And same text "gebrauchte..." that continues but i dont work out what the text is. Only difference i see is that in "your" flag have some dating in the white little material where is also eagle swastika stamp. And my flag size is 151x80. Do you know where the flag is now? And did you investigate the texture,what is written on it? Here in Finland is also Bukowskis,and im thinking if i go there and they check it.
-Niko
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08-19-2019 01:29 PM
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Hello Niko! thanks for the reply, i did not buy it and i have a bad feeling about this flag and stamps the same east european lady tried
to sell me some enamel signs that i discover was fake, so i would leave it.
Cheers!
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i learnd a lesson it started with a story of one enamel sign found in an attic in poland after the war, than she had more and more stuff for sale and i found out that most where polish new made fakes.
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Hello! Thanks for answer and advices Tobias! That dealer said also that the flag is from Poland,maybe he believe himself aswell that the flag is authentic..who knows. Was enamel signs in metal plates? Because that guy have lot of them,and if remember right,he said that them are also from Poland. Maybe i offer 20€ of that flag 
This is very difficult hobby,never knows what is fake,and who try to sell you fake stuff as they are authentic.
-Niko
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Niko,
A hard lesson learned but you are doing research, asking questions and getting sound advice... We have all made the mistake before and have been caught up in the excitement of the purchase only to realize that we bought the story and not the item.. and as you have learned, people will embellish and add a story to something when they want to sell it...
Best regards and happy collecting....
Smitty
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Rakkasan187
Niko,
A hard lesson learned but you are doing research, asking questions and getting sound advice... We have all made the mistake before and have been caught up in the excitement of the purchase only to realize that we bought the story and not the item.. and as you have learned, people will embellish and add a story to something when they want to sell it...
Best regards and happy collecting....
Smitty
Thanks Smitty for you message. Yes it is very hard lesson. Dont get excited so easily when see something nice,and dont believe everything. If it is legal in this site advertise some trusted sites where i can buy some real stuff,tell me some sites? If it is not,maybe private message?
-Niko
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Niko,
At the bottom of the FORUMS page there is a list of trusted militaria dealers who also advertise here...
Smitty
https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/milit...ealers-corner/
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Niko, yeah the enamel signs are metal plates i guess thats correct english haha not sure, anyway you see them pop up evrywhere if you see this signs many of them looks good and looks old to but most of them are fake just check this site polish
ebay.
Blacha emaliowana III Rzesza - Niemcy 1918 - 1945 - Umundurowanie i insygnia - Allegro.pl. Więcej niż aukcje.
there seems to be many of them made and i also seen them sell at auction houses and so called good dealers. so do not trust anybody! do the research and offcourse check with all the great knowledge at this forum first!
Cheers!
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Hi Tobias and Niko
There are some good ways to check for authenticity with these signs...
how to spot good signs from bad signs, so here are some tips!
1 Porcelain sign chips – Most faked signs produced today are having intentional chips put on the edges of the signs primarily. In comparison, most original porcelain signs will have chipping typically throughout the sign. If you look closely at the authentic chipping you should see layered enamel on the edge of the chips. The fake signs do not have layers as they are simply computer generated, and as such, the fake signs never had their enamel baked on layer by layer like their original counterparts.
2 Rust spots – The fake signs often have a rusty residue which is more of a orange-red color vs. the original signs having more of a black-brown rust color. This is also a result of the computer process not being able to emulate the original production techniques.
3 Rivets – Look for rivets which look old, tarnished, and perhaps rusty. Many of the newer fake signs have rivets which look like they were produced recently.
4 Mounting Holes – One of the more commonly faked signs today are the door pushes which were originally hung on old grocery and general stores. These smaller signs were designed to allow customers to push on them to gain entrance into the store. This was creative and avoided customers repeatedly pushing their hands into the screen causing damage to the screen itself. Many of the fake door pushes do not have holes in them, but some do. If you do not see holes in a door push sign, it is generally fake. Why would a company produce a sign to be hung on a door with no mounting holes on the sign? Many of these smaller signs are porcelain and are simply images taken from matchbook covers of the era and are being computer generated.
5 Natural Fading Process – Most porcelain signs had thicker paint on the areas except on the lettering which used thinner paints. Accordingly, the paint from the lettering areas typically fades a bit faster for this reason. Typically, an older sign will not fade evenly either, and red colors tend to fade first. So, if you see the red color as shiny or shinier than the other colors, and if it is on the lettering in particular, use some caution.
6 Materials – One easy way to determine if a sign is authentic and old is to use a magnet on the metal. If it is original, the magnet will stick to the sign since it is steel. If the magnet does not stick, the sign is probably baked on aluminum. Signs from the 1950s and before never used aluminum in their composition, so this is an easy way to determine if a sign is old or not. Many eBay sellers call signs “porcelain” when they are simply newer baked on enamel over aluminum signs.
7 Wood Signs – When you encounter a wood sign you will realize very quickly no two wooden signs are exact. Each one was custom made, and as such, the letters will be a bit different in length, curling of the letter, or shape. Simply said, while the artist from the early days were good, even they did not produce the exact same scripts from sign to sign since they were handmade.
8 Ebay Sellers Use of Vague Language – Some of the notorious sellers on eBay will use verbiage such as “Vintage” or “Authentic” or “Old” when they are not old. Ask the seller to see the back of the sign; this will help buyers in seeing the color and the aging of the sign. If it doesn’t look right, it probably isn’t. Unscrupulous dealers on eBay oftentimes do not include pictures of the backside of signs hoping to avoid sellers realizing the items are not original. My advice, always ask for a backside photo, and carefully read the description to see if the sellers are using vague language around the age of the item.
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