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08-06-2013 03:45 AM
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Circuit advertisement
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The black light test is unreliable as the fakers have treated fabrics for some time with chemicals that will not glow. What must be studied is the overall construction of the piece. To begin with, if the RZM tag were authentic(which it is not), the manufacturer would have had to supply samples to receive permission to manufacture such an item. The D code is too low for a trumpet banner. The RZM tag would speak to the age of this piece being no earlier than 1933. The workmanship is quite crude. Items for the SS were always of the highest quality and workmanship. The totenkopf is frankly a joke in the design. The fringe is not what I would expect to find on a period trumpet banner. There is nothing on this banner that I would consider period. In my opinion this is of recent vintage and another product of the 4th Reich.
BOB
LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.
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Thanks Bob.
That's what I wanted to know. I knew you guys would come through for me.
John
I specialize in M1 carbines and Lugers.
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I think Bob nailed it. Imo, this is a easy to spot fake, even without much study. Rzm tag is incorrect in several different aspects. The quality and material are, too, incorrect. And the scull is unlike anything used. As said before, run far away.
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The sales description of the seller leaves alot to be desired as well. "it must be kept in mind that in the earliest days of the NSDAP there was no issue of such things and it was pretty much go it on your own as far as such individual trappings were constructed" Really? Says who? Also I make note of "These troops were not anyone that the Commie street hoodlums wanted to tangle with. They were tough and unrelenting" Really? I've read plenty about the running street battles from those times and if one thing is pretty clear, it's that the 'commie street hoodlums' were more than happy to duke it out with the brown/blackshirts.
I get the uneasy feeling the seller is quite the Nazi fan-boy.
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What dealer is offering this piece of kaka for sale? He either has little knowledge or is a fraudster. In either case, it is good for the membership to know as he is to be avoided.
BOB
LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.
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Proxi bid auction for August 10th. Echoes of Glory International Military Auction House. In Virgina Beach, VA.
The Information was obtained from germania international web site.
I had a feeling about this piece. I have found some good stuff on proxibid, but you have to call for an inspection. Lately I have been asking my forum friends.
thanks
John
I specialize in M1 carbines and Lugers.
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As it is said to be early, it would not have an RZM tag on it anyway and strange that all of it looks hardly worn including the stitching attaching the tag, though that is very worn and dirty.
As Bob posted, garbage fake IMHO.
Regards,
Jerry
Whatever
its just an opinion.
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Gotta be REAL careful with auction houses, a whole lack of specialist knowledge and a whole lot of sales pitch there!
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