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Penal Battalion Buckle: Real or Fake

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    Hello,
    I have what I believe to be an original Penal Battalion buckle, however I have noticed that there is a particularly high level of knowledge on this forum, and would like to find out for sure if possible. I appreciate your time and consideration.
    -M
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    These buckles were produced after 1945, so they are, IMO, a fake!
    Gruß Max

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    M, there is a big belief that these are post war manufactured, however!!! I also believe that some of these have been ground dug from notorious battle areas, if Dimas reads this thread he may even have an example of one as I think it was Dimas that commented once that he had either seen Penal buckle that had been ground dug or even found them himself! So at the moment for me the verdict remains open on these buckles until more evidence can be found to say whether they are in fact TR era or post war produced.
    Ben

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    BTW, they look ugly

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    Quote by Federer View Post
    BTW, they look ugly
    Yes I agree LOL, just another point, you will see alot these with Berge & Nolte markings normally dated 1943, if you look at the make up of the buckle they look typical of B&N, but again, TR or post war made for me is yet to be decided!
    Ben

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    A good way to punish people...let them wear this buckle

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    Eveyone I have seen has been B&N 43 marked. Most of these are found in excellent to mint condition. I've are post war I think you would find more worn examples. I had a well worn example from a collection I picked up but they are to ugly to keep.

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    I have heard, not official mind you, that these buckles were for the female Wart Hog battalions. They were used on the eastern front to ugly the soviet troops into paralysis allowing the storm troops to come in behind them and dispatch them in a proper manner.
    There-fore, the lumpy wart like texture of the buckle center.
    SteveR

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    Yes....they are quite unattractive. I still think they have their place (though not a major one) in every German belt buckle collection.
    Cheers!
    Rob

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    I suppose they werent made to look pretty, penal battalions were normally classed as persona non grata, therefore not entitled to wear national emblems i believe which included adlers and tricolours

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