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Help deciphering insignia please!

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    I have a picture here of my great-great grandfather.

    I am trying to do some geneological work and I need to know what branches he was a part of.

    I am told this can be deciphered by what he is wearing. This is the only picture I have. It is from WW1, thanks.

    Leah
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    These are enlisted and NCO soldiers of the German army in the III. Reich, not in the First World War. If the collars of the field blouses are field grey, and not dark green, then the experts here can date the photo better can I, but perhaps in the early years of the war. The eagle/swastika on the breast is seen both in its off white version and a grey version, which also indicates that this image was made once the war had begun.
    The field blouse here was introduced in the mid 1930s. The age of certain of the figures suggests to me the possibility of some training base of the unit.

    There is a rubric here for photos and also for army uniforms, whereas this space is for the SS.
    Needless to say, the German Army and the SS were two separate institutions.

    The image is not from the First World War, but certain of the figures here plainly might have served in said conflict, but this image is from say 1939 through maybe 1941 or so.

    The man in the peaked cap is senior in his NCO rank, and seems to have a wound badge from the First World War, but I cannot really tell.
    Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 04-09-2012 at 12:33 AM.
    damit, basta.

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    Indeed, the image is of men in WWII uniforms, as my esteemed colleague has already highlighted, and not of WWI personnel. The two central figures in your image however, could well have served during the earlier conflict.

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    Thank you for your replies. In further discussions with my family we have determined that this photo is actually my great grandfather and was in fact during the 2nd world war, as you have successfully determined. Do you have the link to the places on the forum that you suggest I should visit instead?

    Thanks so much!

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    Is there any writing on the back of the photo?

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    Look at the thread titled "new photo pick-ups" and some members may be of more help. Also, you might get a lot moire info based soley on your gg-pa's name, then check the german archives or have a pro help with the record search.

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    Hi Leah, welcome to the forum and good luck with your Genealogy research. I too am doing my family tree. I am back to 1580.

    I have moved your thread to here for you.

    Your Grandad wears a ribbon bar: one award looks like the War Merit Cross with Swords. Another could be the Cross of Honour with Swords for WW1 service. The middle one is hard to make out.

    On the shoulder straps, but sadly not clearly shown, he wears a "slip on" shoulder title. This would have displayed either a letter or letter/number combination which would have designated his unit. It might be a "L" with a number under it. This would fit with the age of the men, being part of a Landesschützen-Bataillone.

    He wears the rank chevron of a Grefreiter on his sleeve.


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    Here are a pair of slip on titles from my collection to illustrate:

    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/heer-l...ap-titles-797/

    It we had the number from the photo, it would be easy to research the unit like I have done on these.

    Hope this helps?

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    Leah: The Deutsche Dienststelle in Berlin has everything you want to know about your great grandfather. Since you are a direct blood relative they will provide you with his military records. You can locate them by entering Deutsche Dienststelle in Google or using this email address: double decal-info@double decal-wast.de You will need his full name and date of birth. Good luck. Dwight

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    Was he killed in WWII perchance?

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