man, thanks alot WOLF. i appreciate you giving your time. Like i said, i have looked through SOOO many honour badges and wound badges and still havent found it. I am with you 100% that it is most likely an honour badge. I will keep the zinc with ribbon in mind while searching. thanks again. I love the photo and have him pictured in 2 pics, so I personally think its cool to break down photos and get as much info as possible out of em!
Well, its been agreed that he is a member of the NSKK as Adrian had said in the frst post! The diamond shaped patch and black trousers are a giveaway. His cap is differnt tho, its cloth and more "dressy" than the original NsKK helmet style, and the collar tabs are brown, not black as the original NSKK. he aslo has a medal/honor badge. this makes me think he may be a different rank or something in the NSKK. whatever, still a cool pic tho
I beg to differ:
I am fairly certain that this is not actually an NSKK man, but a member of the Motor-SA (which, of course, was eventually absorbed into the NSKK altogether).
Telling Motor-SA members and early NSKK members apart can be difficult, as their uniforms at this stage were practically identical with only some minor differences. The black breeches and drivers' sleeve diamond are really no clues, as these were shared by both organizations.
The strongest clue that this is a Motor-SA member are the collar patches. All NSKK collar patches were black, with the exception of those of the Korpsführung - including national schools - and certain staffs, which were carmine. Those of the Motor-SA, on the other hand, had the color of their respective SA-Gruppe.
The collar patches worn by this man are definitely not black and appear to be too light to be carmine as well.
Thanks for the info. The collar tabs were worring me as I mentioned.
Caption reads 'Commemorative badge of thanks from the City of Frankfurt'......
The ribbon appears to be the same design and width as the 'Mothers Cross',
except the outermost stripes here are mid-green in colour. It is hard to see
this with my poor photo, but this is what it looks like to me.
HLP has nailed it with Motor-SA ............ !
NICEEEEE HPL!!!!! I knew the collar tabs just didnt fit the normal nskk identity. This is awesome! I really appreciate it, as i can finally put the correct caption underneath the photo!(on a seperate paper of course). I cant thank everyone enough for the help. I had a tough time with this one and couldnt have done it without this site. There are just so many branches/divisions/ranks/etc of the german forces of ww1+2 it can sometimes be very misleading.
There were many medals and badges awarded by Cities, States and 'Dutchies'
for WWI service, each with their own unique designs - including bravery
medals which were the equivalent of the Iron Cross.
The design of this one is Frankfurt only....
Gotcha WOLF. Thanks. Im physced u figured that out for me. I wish i could see his collar tabs more clearly. after research i figured out that there were many insignia's on the collar tabs of SA that represented rank and unit.
If anyone has any info on the Motor SA It would be greatly appreciated. I mean ANYTHING! I have been searching high and low and there seems to be VERY minimal info on this particular unit/branch. Ive already learned alot of things that i didnt know just by researching SA topics and i definitely thank all of u guys for helpin me out