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[Bill T]

Last ones and Ill stop.

I posted a couple Polizei photos a few days back....and these 2 pics I am showing now are of the same men. Are they SchuPo does anyone know?

[HPL2008]

I posted a couple Polizei photos a few days back....and these 2 pics I am showing now are of the same men. Are they SchuPo does anyone know?

No; they are pre-war firefighters.

These men are members of a Berufsfeuerwehr [Professional Fire Department] wearing the insignia introduced in July 1936. (= national insigne on the caps and sleeves and black collar patches with double Litzen)

The uniforms are dark blue with carmine pipings. The cross-straps and circular belt buckles with the city- or state coats-of-arms were worn by all ranks at this time. (In 1937 new standardized police-style buckles bearing a Swastika and "Gott mit uns" slogan were introduced; these were rectangular for lower ranks and circular for ranks from Hauptbrandmeister up.)

In 1939/1939, the majority of the Berufsfeuerwehren were transformed into the new Feuerschutzpolizei [Fire Protection Police], while the rest were incorporated into the Freiwillige Feuerwehren [Volunteer Fire Brigades].

[don_kihotis7]

No; they are pre-war firefighters.

These men are members of a Berufsfeuerwehr [Professional Fire Department] wearing the insignia introduced in July 1936. (= national insigne on the caps and sleeves and black collar patches with double Litzen)

The uniforms are dark blue with carmine pipings. The cross-straps and circular belt buckles with the city- or state coats-of-arms were worn by all ranks at this time. (In 1937 new standardized police-style buckles bearing a Swastika and "Gott mit uns" slogan were introduced; these were rectangular for lower ranks and circular for ranks from Hauptbrandmeister up.)

In 1939/1939, the majority of the Berufsfeuerwehren were transformed into the new Feuerschutzpolizei [Fire Protection Police], while the rest were incorporated into the Freiwillige Feuerwehren [Volunteer Fire Brigades].

Hello guys. I'm very impressed by all these info you have about every single photo posted here
How can anyone get educated for all these? I mean the ranks, the insignia, the branches, the piping of every branch of the Wehrmacht etc? I'm love uniforms very much and sometimes i find tunics that i have no idea by who they were worn and what exactly that branch was doing. For example there was a nice tunic here on the market place which was NSKK. I used to think that they were the guys driving the R75 motorcycles with the sidecars. But i found some info on wikipedia and they had nothing to do with that. Those bikes were driven by Wehrmacht branches like infantry. NSKK were motorized SA or something? And what was their part during the war?

[HPL2008]

Hello guys. I'm very impressed by all these info you have about every single photo posted here
How can anyone get educated for all these? I mean the ranks, the insignia, the branches, the piping of every branch of the Wehrmacht etc?

For the most part, it's really just a matter of acquring and studying good reference books. Lots and lots of them...

NSKK were motorized SA or something? And what was their part during the war?

For some quick info on the NSKK look here:
Axis History Factbook: Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrkorps (NSKK)
National Socialist Motor Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Historisches Lexikon Bayerns - Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrkorps (NSKK), 1931-1945 (German language]

For more in-depth information on the uniforms and insignia of the NSKK, I recommend:
Amazon.com: NSKK and NSFK (9780912138565): John Angolia: Books

[don_kihotis7]

Chris, I think I know the one you speak of. Thalmonpioneer was selling an outstanding early HG album. Utterly incredible photos inside of it.

Bill is he a WRF member or a WAF? The album i was telling you about was offered in WAF a long time ago. If i remember correctly it had a blue hard cover with a metal stahlhelm badge on the left upper corner.

[don_kihotis7]

For the most part, it's really just a matter of acquring and studying good reference books. Lots and lots of them...


For some quick info on the NSKK look here:
Axis History Factbook: Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrkorps (NSKK)
National Socialist Motor Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Historisches Lexikon Bayerns - Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrkorps (NSKK), 1931-1945 (German language]

For more in-depth information on the uniforms and insignia of the NSKK, I recommend:
Amazon.com: NSKK and NSFK (9780912138565): John Angolia: Books

Thanks mate. Unfortunately the links with the best info on everything are in German which i don't understand. Lexikon der Wehrmacht for example is an excellent source of knowledge but written in German.

[Bill T]

No; they are pre-war firefighters.

These men are members of a Berufsfeuerwehr [Professional Fire Department] wearing the insignia introduced in July 1936. (= national insigne on the caps and sleeves and black collar patches with double Litzen)

The uniforms are dark blue with carmine pipings. The cross-straps and circular belt buckles with the city- or state coats-of-arms were worn by all ranks at this time. (In 1937 new standardized police-style buckles bearing a Swastika and "Gott mit uns" slogan were introduced; these were rectangular for lower ranks and circular for ranks from Hauptbrandmeister up.)

In 1939/1939, the majority of the Berufsfeuerwehren were transformed into the new Feuerschutzpolizei [Fire Protection Police], while the rest were incorporated into the Freiwillige Feuerwehren [Volunteer Fire Brigades].

Ahhh. This makes sense now. That didnt even cross my mind that they were Feuer-related. I was thinking SchuPo (state police) after seeing the state patches and darker uniforms. (I saw the circular buckles, but figured it was just an officer buckle). I will have to look into this further to learn more about the Berufsfeuerwehr. Im guessing they still had local feuer-brigades in the pre-war period, correct? Very interesting. And I agree with Chris (Donki).......I really cannot wait until the day I am so well versed in ALL things ww2 Germany related like you are HPL. I very much look forward to your posts, as I have learned more information than I have from reading books/references. I know it must have taken a long time to learn these things and I know we all appreciate you passing the information on to us who are eager to learn.

Also HPL, what do you think of the photos that were labeled "HG division" when I bought them? I dont see anything that sticks out that would make me think they actually are from HGD, do you?

Last ?......Do you think the officer photo GDPwny posted is wearing the Berg-badge?

[don_kihotis7]

Ahhh. This makes sense now. That didnt even cross my mind that they were Feuer-related. I was thinking SchuPo (state police) after seeing the state patches and darker uniforms. (I saw the circular buckles, but figured it was just an officer buckle). I will have to look into this further to learn more about the Berufsfeuerwehr. Im guessing they still had local feuer-brigades in the pre-war period, correct? Very interesting. And I agree with Chris (Donki).......I really cannot wait until the day I am so well versed in ALL things ww2 Germany related like you are HPL. I very much look forward to your posts, as I have learned more information than I have from reading books/references. I know it must have taken a long time to learn these things and I know we all appreciate you passing the information on to us who are eager to learn.

Also HPL, what do you think of the photos that were labeled "HG division" when I bought them? I dont see anything that sticks out that would make me think they actually are from HGD, do you?

Last ?......Do you think the officer photo GDPwny posted is wearing the Berg-badge?

I don't think i can ever be like HPL. He is a professor and i could never hav the time to study so much. Maybe when i get my pension in 30 years or so
Donki sounds like donkey lol

[HPL2008]

I will have to look into this further to learn more about the Berufsfeuerwehr. Im guessing they still had local feuer-brigades in the pre-war period, correct?

Right, although not just in the pre-war period but through the war years as well.
In addition to the Berufsfeuerwehren [= Professional Fire Departments] and the later Feuerschutzpolizei [= Fire Protection Police], there were (and still are) Freiwillige Feuerwehren [= Volunteer Fire Brigades], Pflichtfeuerwehren [= Obligatory Fire Brigades, raised by "conscription" if not enough volunteer firefighters could be found] and Werkfeuerwehren [= Factory Fire Brigades].
Freiwillige Feuerwehren/Pflichtfeuerwehren made up of unpaid volunteers/part-timers were/are the fire departments in rural areas, villages and smaller towns. Large cities had/have professional fire departments but could/can have additonal volunteer fire departments operating as well.

I really cannot wait until the day I am so well versed in ALL things ww2 Germany related like you are HPL. I very much look forward to your posts, as I have learned more information than I have from reading books/references. I know it must have taken a long time to learn these things and I know we all appreciate you passing the information on to us who are eager to learn.

Thanks once more for your kind words. But, really, practically everything I know comes from reference books, so actually we all have to thank and are indebted to the authors who undertook the original research.

Also HPL, what do you think of the photos that were labeled "HG division" when I bought them? I dont see anything that sticks out that would make me think they actually are from HGD, do you?.

Actually, one thing does point towards the Hermann Göring formations: The collar patches appear to be white. They are certainly too lightly-colored to be the red one would expect from Flak personnel.

Do you think the officer photo GDPwny posted is wearing the Berg-badge?

It's definitely neither the Heeresbergführer nor any other "mountain-related" badge. Actually, it looks a lot like a Luftwaffe observer badge to me but the image is not clear enough to be 100% certain.

[Bill T]

Really, you dont think it looks like a Polizei-Berg Fuhrer badge huh? I guess I can see the luftwaffe observer badge resemblence, since there is what looks to be an eagle for sure. hmm, still kinda neat to see a luft badge on a heer man I would say (not unusual tho).

Good to know it may be HG division. the medals certainly would match, but I was looking for the light colored tresse around the tabs themselves and couldnt see any. Thanks for the help on that one. The medals wouldnt normally match if they were yellow colored tabs anyway, so I guess the seller was correct. He usually does a very good job at labeling/titleing some of his photos, I give him that

And Chris, I know it is "Don Ki-Hotis".....a singer right? haha I wasnt trying to make you sound like a Donkey. haha