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Budenovka - fake or original?

Article about: Hi all, I am new to the forum and am trying to find out more about a civil war era Budenovka. It bears the hammer & plough that was used between 1918 and 1922. The size is small (about 5

  1. #11

    Default Re: Budenovka - fake or original?

    Quote by robsfl View Post
    Dimas,
    is there a sure way to tell an original? How should this look like on the reverse side? I am eager to learn the facts.
    Here are two examples of originals:

    First, is an (rough condition) example made from tin belonging to me.

    Second is made from stamped brass that belongs to a Russian colleague.

    I also own a brass example, but it very similar as my Russian colleague's. Unfortunately, it is missing both attaching prongs, so there is no need to show it.

    These are very, very rare...
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    Fellow collectors are NOT adversaries to be bested...

    ☭ "Ричик, я не понимаю, почему, почему ты тратишь деньги на эти вещи!" ☭

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  3. #12

    Default Re: Budenovka - fake or original?

    Both budenovka and star are repro.
    You can see an original star here:
    Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums
    and original tank man budenovka here:
    What communist items do you collect - Page 6 - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

  4. #13
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    Default Re: Budenovka - fake or original?

    I would say that the link to the WAF contain M 27 budionovka
    Regards,
    Dimas

    my Skype: warrelics

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    Quote by Komandir RKKA View Post
    That star was also discussed here: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade - The Soviet Military Awards Page Forum

    However, as I have a passion for cockardes, I decided to inquire about it here: Звезда Кокарда - 1918r - Форум военных коллекционеров - "WW2"

    I do not fully agree with the general consensus on the Russian forum, as I do like it because it shows what seems to be genuine age and wear. However, Den seems pretty sharp when it comes to these...

    So,
    .

    Fellow collectors are NOT adversaries to be bested...

    ☭ "Ричик, я не понимаю, почему, почему ты тратишь деньги на эти вещи!" ☭

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    robsfl
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    Default Re: Budenovka - fake or original?

    Thanks for the links and close-ups! The details of original pieces help a lot. There is such an abundance of fakes around that it is so difficult to find a reliable reference at all.

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    Quote by RichieC View Post
    That star was also discussed here: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade - The Soviet Military Awards Page Forum

    However, as I have a passion for cockardes, I decided to inquire about it here: Звезда Кокарда - 1918r - Форум военных коллекционеров - "WW2"

    I do not fully agree with the general consensus on the Russian forum, as I do like it because it shows what seems to be genuine age and wear. However, Den seems pretty sharp when it comes to these...

    So,
    I meant only last picture in that theme where I showed original star.

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    Dzerzhinsky
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    I would hate to be stupid enough to drop $2000.00 on a Budy whether it was real or not. If you had that much money, I would suggest making a down payment on a Marshals hat or something collectable.

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    Default Re: Budenovka - fake or original?

    Quote by RichieC View Post
    Here are two examples of originals:

    First, is an (rough condition) example made from tin belonging to me.

    Second is made from stamped brass that belongs to a Russian colleague.

    I also own a brass example, but it very similar as my Russian colleague's. Unfortunately, it is missing both attaching prongs, so there is no need to show it.

    These are very, very rare...
    Where the hell did you get that cockarde richie?

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    I really can not remember exactly... At a collector's meeting in Simferopol, or Sevastopol is the most possible.

    Why do you ask?
    .

    Fellow collectors are NOT adversaries to be bested...

    ☭ "Ричик, я не понимаю, почему, почему ты тратишь деньги на эти вещи!" ☭

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    Default Re: Budenovka - fake or original?

    Quote by RichieC View Post
    I really can not remember exactly... At a collector's meeting in Simferopol, or Sevastopol is the most possible.

    Why do you ask?
    Just because it is so rare.

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