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Fake Soviet Visor Cap

Article about: Hi guys, I picked up this visor cap from a street seller in Berlin a couple of years ago. If I remember correctly, I paid 50 Euros for this... And I'm 99% sure that it's fake. I have exactly

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    Hi guys,

    I picked up this visor cap from a street seller in Berlin a couple of years ago. If I remember correctly, I paid 50 Euros for this... And I'm 99% sure that it's fake.

    I have exactly 0 knowledge in Soviet militaria, however, so I was hoping that someone could confirm my thoughts.

    Thanks!

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    Pattern 69 , troop / nco

    Chinstrap is incorrect but this cap is genuine , Zarnitsa factory / Kalinin dated 89 .

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    Thanks!

    I am not surprised about the chinstrap at all as it was the primary reason I thought the whole cap was fake. I am pleased to hear that some of it could be genuine.

    What about the stars holding the chinstrap? They look pretty cheap and I can't find any other visor cap with them...

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    Hello,

    The little stars are subdued field use for the forage cap, panama slouch hat or the visor cap with earflps, usually 70创 or 80创 vintage.

    The strap is not faked is late 80创 quality officers type. What is incorrect is the matching with other ranks star-and-wreath insignia.

    You can either replace the chinstrap for a black celluloid one either you can replace the insignia with an officers cockade.

    These compositions were -and are common- with caps offered to tourists

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    Quote by ASR View Post
    Hello,

    The strap is not faked is late 80创 quality officers type. What is incorrect is the matching with other ranks star-and-wreath insignia.

    You can either replace the chinstrap for a black celluloid one either you can replace the insignia with an officers cockade.

    These compositions were -and are common- with caps offered to tourists
    Hello,

    for the officers the headband is in velvet ( Armored, artillery or technical troops ) .
    I would add that this chinstrap is not Soviet , see below

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    nice visor here is my one and only soviet era visor ,roll down the liner band ,you might find another stamp as i did Click image for larger version. 

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    Hello,

    These chinstraps are much encountered on caps made in Ukraine about 1990 / 1991. Consisting of a yellow silky rayon type thread. If it was regulation or just an <<ersatz>> measure to save costs is something I cannot tell.

    It seems also that velvet was only permitted for other services apart from Armoured Troops and thus was not the rule for Artillery. I have never seen this printed on the 1969 regulation (but may be it exists, I am not 100 per cent sure).

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    Quote by ASR View Post
    Hello,

    These chinstraps are much encountered on caps made in Ukraine about 1990 / 1991. Consisting of a yellow silky rayon type thread. If it was regulation or just an <<ersatz>> measure to save costs is something I cannot tell.
    Hello ,

    Ever seen, moreover the one James watch is manufactured in Ukraine and dated 91
    not that of Reich.

    Can you show a concrete example ?

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    I dont collect so late postwar items... but I have a friend who has an infantry Ukrainian cap (soviet type M1969 construction with red band but Ukrainian trident cockade and buttons, same interior with the small white
    tag). If I can make a pic I'll post.

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    I enclose this posting from ebay I ve just found. very much like my friend创s:
    UKRAINIAN ARMY OFFICER PARADE VISOR HAT CAP | eBay

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