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3. Schnellbootflottille wappen

Article about: Hi Guys, I have waited some 35 years plus to obtain one of these. I will try and unfold the story of these. Back in the late 1970's one of these wappen came into the local junk / come collec

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    Hi Guys, I have waited some 35 years plus to obtain one of these. I will try and unfold the story of these.

    Back in the late 1970's one of these wappen came into the local junk / come collectors shop in Nottingham. It came with a very nice Italian Fascist banner. The shop keeper would not sell it to me, a fact which still smarts all these years later. He had given first refusal to my friend and local militaria dealer the late Mike Long. Mike obtained the item for around £5.00. The same wappen then passed to Mr Fisher at "Regimentals" and resurfaced at the Nottingham Arms Fair some months later and now married up with the photo of a KM sailor in tropical uniform wearing an E Boat badge. It was now priced a £70...

    The history of these items has been shrouded in some mystery. It is one I wish to finally solve. I firmly believe they are Italian made. The materials used are very similar to that used in items of insignia made in Italy for Polish 2nd Corps. The craftsmanship as you can see is very good. The actual size of the shield is quite large at 160mm x 105mm. The design is embossed into the aluminium and them carefully enamelled.

    3. Schnellbootflottille was based in Italy. They took part in a raid on Tobruk.

    The post war Bundesmarine unit, 3. Schnellbootgeschwader Flensburg, adopted the insignia for themselves in modified de-Nazified form. The history of the unit (with the post war badge shown) can be seen here:

    1. Schnellboot-Division

    and here:

    S- 42 Iltis - 3. Schnellbootgeschwader

    The nick name for the original unit was "Die Afrika-Flottille" and in 1978 a book was written about them.

    These wappen are not an award, that much seems clear. Several have come to light via Veterans estates, both with former Allied and German servicemen of the unit. One was actually removed from a E Boat itself. The Italian connection seems firm as some have come from the ANZAC's who fought in Italy. Some appear to have been mounted, with screws, onto wooden plaques.

    I bought my example at auction and hope to be able to contact the vendor to see if they can tell me more about how they acquired it. It was submitted for sale with a wartime British telescope lens. In hand it shows light scratches and surface wear and the odd edge knock. Pleased to say the price was good.

    Cheers, Ade.
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    Here is the reverse of the wappen.
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    Bravo. Well done. A piece of refinement and aesthetic value in the hands of our best collector and leader.
    damit, basta.

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    That is cool buddy.

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    A bit more info regarding this unit in WW2. The crafts emblems and some of the camouflage is interesting.

    Förderverein Museums-Schnellboot e.V.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Great to see one again Ade, I owned one many years back, and traded or sold it off way back in the mists of time, wish I still had it now

    Great to see you finally tracked one down mate. Nice piece

    Cheers

    Bob

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    Interesting piece of history!
    Collect ROA, Cossack, Schuma and other WW2 Volunteer militaria.

    "Be Humble and kind, for you may find that it was Odin you entertained"

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    Interesting that Ned found another photo of yours Adrian. What a great piece.

    Hummel
    "Currently looking for period items relating to the German city of Amberg."

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    Thanks for the comments guys.

    There are at least another six of these in collections worldwide.

    Cheers, Ade.
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    So there are six of this type? Does anyone know how many were originally made? Or does anyone have an estimate on how many?

    Hummel
    "Currently looking for period items relating to the German city of Amberg."

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