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General's DAK (tropical) cap

Article about: Hi, I was wondering if anyone can confirm/deny that general officers in north africa wore tropical field caps (M41 or M42) with gold piping/buttons, or did they just wear the standard cap? T

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    I did a quick google translation, and I beleive the language is Malay(?). I noticed Rommels tunic as well. The Generalmajor with him is Stefan Fröhlich. I also noticed the officer with the missing arm. As for Rommel, I have seen pictures of him wearing a tropical greatcoat with red lapels...another rarity to be sure...

    Over on the Marshals Baton website they have General der Fallschirmtruppe Ramcke’s Tropical Uniform which includes a nice tropical field cap, albeit for the Luftwaffe.

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    Quote by Silberkreuz View Post
    Hi Jerry, that is a nice looking cap, nice long peak as it should be, did this cap come with any insignia? Or traces of any? Yes It well could be a tailor made cap and be original period item. Have you not showed it to someone like our Stonemint ?

    By the way you have a wonderful collection of caps and hats.

    Regards SK
    I long ago gave up making any claims for this cap.

    Thanks for the comment about my collection.
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    Hello,

    Here are some pics of a DAK tropical generals hat from my collection,

    The color of the fabric is a little different than other hats in my collection.

    The hat is in awesome condition, it has seen some wear which is evident from small stains in the leather sweatband.


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    Cheers

    Becket
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    Wow, that is an awesome cap. Do you know who owned it? Quite a rare find indeed!

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    I don't know anything about the cap except that it was part of the Van Norden collection.

    I bought the hat plus a dozen other at an auction in the US.. Mr. Van Norden was a big collector of German small arms and Class III machine guns. He had literally dozens of fully functioning arms, Mg-34's, MG -42's, a half a dozen MP44's, MP40's, he even had a MKb 42 and a MP44 with a Krummlauf Curved Barrel and Optical Sighting Device, Plus an amazing headgear and uniform collection. If i lived in the USA i would have bought some of his machine guns!

    I own a few deactivated blank firing small arms, MP 40, MP 38 and a deko MP 44, it would be awesome to own fully functioning arms for reenactments and shooting watermelons, but alas.. not permitted where i live :-(

    I was really lucky and seemed to be the only person interested in the hats and uniforms for sale at the auction..

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    Hi Becks,

    Have to agree with Doug awesome. The Generals are just soooo rare, you was very lucky indeed to be the only person interested in these items.
    If you ever decide to sell it please contact me first. Thank you.

    Regards SK

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    Hi Becks, like I said, awesome cap. I am curious in that it appears to have an officer-style (non general officer) eagle as opposed to a gold version usually attributed to officers of this rank, or at least a metal gold eagle. I guess all manner of possibilities could be realized due to shortages, supply, etc.

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    Doug,

    I have no idea.. I have scoured the web looking for additional examples of M40's for generals without success.

    The hat is identical in construction to the Officers M40 that i have, with the exception of the fabric which is heavier and more of a rusty olive green color.

    The eagle is zigzag sewn, factory applied and the hat has been worn, albeit sparingly, there are some small sweat stains in the leather sweatband.

    Most of the other generals hats i have seen have been super bling bling.. I guess in the desert one would want something more practical.

    How many generals served in DAK? it would be great to know their hat sizes! so as to narrow down the list and guess the owner.

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    Hi, Just to get you started, here is a list (probably incomplete) of the commands and colonels and general officers who served at one time or another in North Africa. Obviously, the cap could be attributed to any one of these individuals.

    Panzergruppe Afrika/Panzerarmee Afrika/Deutsch-Italienisch Panzerarmee/Heeresgruppe Afrika

    Commanders

    Generaloberst/Generalfeldmarshall Erwin Rommel (1 Sep 1941 - 9 Mar 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Ludwig Crüwell (9 Mar 1942 - 19 Mar 1942)
    Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel (19 Mar 1942 - 22 Sep 1942)
    General der Kavallerie Georg Stumme (22 Sep 1942 - 24 Oct 1942)
    General der Panzertruppe Wilhelm Ritter von Thoma (24 Oct 1942 - 25 Oct 1942)
    Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel (25 Oct 1942 - 17 Feb 1943)
    Generalleutnant Karl Bülowius (17 Feb 1943 - 22 Feb 1943)
    Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel (22 Feb 1943 - 9 Mar 1943)
    Generaloberst Hans-Jürgen von Arnim (9 Mar 1943 - 12 May 1943) (POW)

    Chiefs of Staff

    Generalmajor Alfred Gause (1 Sept 1941 - 7 Dec 1942)
    Oberst Fritz Bayerlein (7 Dec 1942 - 1 Mar 1943)
    Generalleutnant Alfred Gause (1 Mar 1943 - 7 May 1943)

    DAK / PzGr / PzAOK Afrika Korücks:
    Generalmajor z.V. Albert Kraußold (Jan 20 1941 – 26 April 1941)
    Generalmajor Philipp Müller-Gebhard (26 April 1941 – 19 Sept 1941)
    Generalmajor Artur Schmitt (19 Sept 1941 – 2 Jan 1942)
    Generalmajor Otto Deindl (10 Jan 1942 – 18 Oct 1942)
    Oberst (01.11.1942 Generalmajor) Ernst Schnarrenberger (18 Oct 1942 – 11 May 1943)

    Stab Nehring/LXXXX Armeekorps (in some sources listed as XC Armeekorps)/5th Panzer Army

    General der Panzertruppe Walther Nehring (17 Nov 1942 - 8 Dec 1942)
    Generaloberst Hans-Jürgen von Arnim (8 Dec 1942 - 9 Mar 1943)
    General der Panzertruppe Gustav von Vaerst (9 Mar 1943 - 9 May 1943)

    Deutsches Afrikakorps

    Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel (14 Feb 1941 - 15 Aug 1941)
    Generalleutnant Ferdinand Schaal (15 Aug 1941 - 1 Sep 1941)
    General der Panzertruppen Philipp Müller-Gebhard (1 Sep 1941 - 15 Sep 1941)
    General der Panzertruppen Ludwig Crüwell (15 Sep 1941 - 9 Mar 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Walther Nehring (9 Mar 1942 - 19 Mar 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Ludwig Crüwell (19 Mar 1942 - 29 May 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Walther Nehring (29 May 1942 - 31 Aug 1942)
    Generalleutnant Fritz Bayerlein (31 Aug 1942 - 1 Sep 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Gustav von Värst (1 Sep 1942 - 2 Sep 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Wilhelm Ritter von Thoma (2 Sep 1942 - 13 Nov 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Gustav Fehn (13 Nov 1942 - 15 Jan 1943)
    General der Panzertruppen Hans Cramer (28 Feb 1943 - 16 May 1943)

    Sperrverband Libyen/5. Leichte-Division/21. Panzer Division

    General der Panzertruppen Hans Freiherr von Funck (1 Jan 1941 - 7 Feb 1941)
    Generalleutnant Johannes Streich (7 Feb 1941 - 16 May 1941)
    Generalleutnant Karl Böttcher (16 May 1941 - 1 Aug 1941)
    Generalmajor Johann von Ravenstein (1 Aug 1941 - 29 Nov 1941)
    Oberstleutnant Gustav-Georg Knabe (29 Nov 1941 - 30 Nov 1941) m.d.st.F.b.
    Generalmajor Karl Böttcher (01 Dec 1941 - 18 Feb 1942)
    Generalmajor Georg von Bismarck (19 Feb 1942 - 31 Mar 1942) m.d.st.F.b.
    Generalmajor Georg von Bismarck (01 Apr 1942 - 31 Aug 1942)
    Generalmajor Heinz von Randow (01 Sept 1942 - 21 Dec 1942)
    Oberst Alfred Breur (21 Dec 1942 - 31 Dec 1942) m.d.F.b.
    Oberst Hans-Georg Hildebrandt (01 Jan 1943 - 28 Feb 1943)
    Generalmajor Hans-Georg Hildebrandt (01 Mar 1943 - 16 Mar 1943)
    Generalmajor Heinrich-Hermann von Hülsen (17 March 1943 - 13 May 1943)

    90th Light Afrika Division

    Generalmajor Max Sümmermann (1 Sep 1941 - 10 Dec 1941) (KIA) (1)
    Generalleutnant Richard Veith (28 Dec 1941 - 10 Apr 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Ulrich Kleemann (10 Apr 1942 - 13 July 1942)
    Generalleutnant Carl-Hans Lungershausen (13 July 1942 - 10 Aug 1942)
    General der Panzertruppen Ulrich Kleemann (10 Aug 1942 - 1 Nov 1942)
    Generalleutnant Theodor Graf von Sponeck (1 Nov 1942 - 12 May 1943)

    164 Light Afrika Division

    Generalleutnant Josef Folttmann (18 July 1942 - 10 Aug 1942)
    Generalleutnant Carl-Hans Lungershausen (10 Aug 1942 - 15 Jan 1943)
    Generalmajor Kurt Freiherr von Liebenstein (15 Jan 1943 - 12 May 1943)

    999. Leichte Afrika Division

    Generalleutnant Kurt Thomas (2 Feb 1943 - 1 Apr 1943) (KIA)
    Generalmajor Ernst-Günther Baade (2 Apr 1943 - 13 May 1943)

    10th Panzer Division (arrived Dec 1942)

    Generalleutnant Wolfgang Fischer (Dec 1942 - 01 Feb 1943)
    Generalleutnant Friedrich Freiherr von Broich (01 Feb 1943 - 12 May 1943)

    15. Panzer-Division (arrived Feb 1941)

    Generalmajor Friedrich Kühn (Feb 1941 - 22 Mar 1941)
    Generalmajor Heinrich von Prittwitz und Gaffron (22 Mar 1941 - 10 Apr 1941)
    Oberst Hans-Karl Freiherr von Esebeck (13 Apr 1941 - 15 Apr 1941) m.d.F.b.
    Generalmajor Hans-Karl Freiherr von Esebeck (15 Apr 1941 - 13 May 1941)
    Oberst Max von Herff (13 May 1941 - 25 May 1941) m.d.F.b.
    Generalmajor Walter Neumann-Silkow (26 May 1941 - 06 Dec 1941)
    Oberst Erwin Menny (06 Dec 1941 - 08 Dec 1941) m.d.F.b.
    Generalmajor Gustav von Vaerst (09 Dec 1941 - 26 May 1942)
    Oberst Eduard Crasemann (26 May 1942 - 14 July 1942) m.d.F.b.
    Generalmajor Heinz von Randow (15 July 1942 - 25 Aug 1942)
    Generalmajor Gustav von Vaerst (25 Aug 1942 - 10 Nov 1942)
    Oberst Eduard Crasemann (11 Nov 1942 - 17 Nov 1942) m.d.F.b.
    Oberst Willibald Borowitz (18 Nov 1942 - 31 Dec 1942) m.d.F.b.
    Generalleutnant Willibald Borowitz (01 Jan 1943 - 10 May 1943)

    334. Infanterie-Division (arrived December 1942)

    Generalleutnant Friedrich Weber (15 Nov 1942 - 15 Apr 1943)
    Generalmajor Fritz Krause (15 Apr 1943 - 9 May 1943)
    General der Artillerie Heinz Ziegler (? May 1943 - ? May 1943)
    Generalleutnant Walter Scheller (20 Oct 1943 - 27 Nov 1943)
    Generalleutnant Hellmuth Böhlke (27 Nov 1943 - 16 Apr 1945)

    Division Von Broich (also known as Schützen-Brigade von Broich)/Division von Manteuffel

    Generalleutnant Friedrich Freiherr von Broich (10 Nov 1942 - 5 Feb 1943)
    General der Panzertruppen Hasso von Manteuffel (5 Feb 1943 - 30 Apr 1943)
    Generalleutnant Karl Bülowius (30 Apr 1943 - 8 May 1943)

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    Doug,

    What a list! Even if you could narrow it down to individuals with size 56, still a guessing game.

    Is DAK your area of collection interest. I messaged Silberkreutz and mentioned that I might be interested in selling my DAK collection to the right collector and to the right price as DAK is not really my special interest. I just collect hats and have over 500 by now.. guess you could say i am just a filthy hoarder.. :-)

    Cheers

    Becket

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