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HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

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    Default HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Need help identifying the owner of this Major`s m36 tunic..

    Hi, I recently purchased this high ranking officers tunic and I was hoping that it would be possible to identify the owner. Sadly all the awards are absent but I have purchased some awards to replace the ones missing, but I was hoping to be able to identify the gentleman so that the correct awards and ribbon bars can be replaced. I appreciate all the help I can get, thanks!


    Major in Infantry Rgt 16, M36 tunic. Five buttons front. Tunic is in Good worn condition, showing wear and some slight stainings. It has sew-in dullgrey aluminum senior officers shoulder boards with white wool underlay, each one having a set of "16" cyphers. Officers dull aluminum collartabs on darkgreen basecloth, piped in white machinesewn to the stand and fall darkgreen collar.

    A Bevo NCO/Officers Flatwire eagle on dark green backing is hand sewn to tunic above right breastpocket, eagle show matching wear as the rest of the insignias as well as the tunic.

    On left breast pocket are loops for 3 awards and above are loops for a medium ribbonbar. Iron Cross 2´nd class as well as East medal ribbon in 2´nd button hole. On right breastpockets are loops for a German Cross.

    Tunic is lined in light grey rayon lining with white cloth in the arms. The tunic has some stains inside, nothing major though. Tunic is in a quite large size! No namelabel inside pocket but tailorslabel at neck.

    I found this site, with some good info:
    Historic.de - Militärgeschichte - Bremen und Umland 1933-1945

    Thanks for the help!
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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Nobody that can help me?

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Quote by oksnevad_2 View Post
    Nobody that can help me?
    Please understand that there is not a paid staff waiting to answer your question in less than 24 hours. Hopefully, a member or moderator may be able to assist you with your request. However, this will likely take a lot of time for anyone to research. You may get an answer and may never get an answer. The task is complicated if the original owner of the tunic did not receive a DK but possibly a Spanish Cross or a foreign award. Good luck on your quest.
    BOB

    LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Hello BOB COLEMAN, I did not expect an answer in 24 hours!
    I was hoping that somebody had a site or knew somebody that was interested in the 16. infantry regiment and could help me, maybe someone on the forum...
    I was just trying to identify the owner of the tunic by getting it out there.
    Someone on this forum may of had a photo album or papers from this regiments or something..
    Some of the forum members might be interested in keeping track of the progress as I try to get the mystery solved... I will do research and post my candidates and so on and then discuss if it could be the owner..

    Sorry for upsetting you

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    I am not upset at all. As your second post came only 13 hours after the initial request, I was attempting to explain to you that information does not always flow as quickly as one may want. Secondly, yesterday was a national holiday in the USA so many members may not have been reading the Forum. As I previously mentioned, good luck in your hunt for information. A good starting place would be to locate a copy of the German Army rank list and cross reference names from that unit of appropriate rank with lists of DK recipients. Many years ago I had a copy of the 1944 rank list but foolishly sold it so I can not be of any help.
    BOB

    LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Thanks BOB COLEMAN
    Good, we are on the same page
    Sorry for my misleading info and actions, he he :P

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Here is my first candidate:
    Photos and text from
    Historic.de - Militärgeschichte - Bremen und Umland 1933-1945

    Oberst Johannes Arndt
    Commander of I. / Infantry Regiment 16 (01 September 1941 - July 31, 1942)

    10.07.1906 - Born in Bromberg, Prussia
    01.03.1924 - Entry in to the 4th Company / 4. (Preuß.) Infantry Regiment
    01.06.1924 - 1. Company / 4 (Preuß.) Infantry Regiment
    10.01.1926 - Commanding the Nachrichtenzug /1. Battalion / 4th (Preuß.) Infantry Regiment
    01.04.1928-01.10.1928 - Commanding officer candidates for the teaching-command / Neustettin
    01.07.1930 - Added to the staff first battalion / 4. (Preuß.) Infantry Regiment
    01.02.1932 - Added to second Company / 4. (Preuß.) Infantry Regiment
    21.06.1934 - 05.07.1934 - Commanding officer for the Preparation Course / Szczecin-Kreckow
    09.01.1934 - Added as Vorkommando to Neumünster
    01.10.1934 - 1. Company Infantry Regiment Neumünster
    01.01.1935 - Intelligence officer and leader of the bar staff III. / Infantry Regiment Neumünster
    ordered with effect from 23.09.1935 to 01.10.1935 Infantry Regiment 16
    10.15.1935 - Regimental N.O. / Infantry Regiment 16
    10.06.1936 - Staff / Infantry Regiment 16
    01.04.1937 - 6th boss Kompanie / Infanterie-Regiment 16
    10.07.1938 - 10.08.1938 Officers' course at the training school
    10.11.1938 - 12th chief (MG) Kompanie / Infanterie-Regiment 16
    03.04.1939 - 05.04.1939 Course the MG-34 / Infantry School Döberitz
    17.11.1940 - Adjutant / Infantry Regiment 16
    09.01.1941 - Commissioned with the leadership of the First Battalion / Infantry Regiment 16
    10.01.1941 - Commander of I Battalion / Infantry Regiment 16
    15.06.1942 - Referred to in the Wehrmacht:
    In the battle for Sevastopol have occurred in the capture of Forts Stalin, a battalion of Lower Saxony Infantry Division under the command of Major Arndt ,..... especially excellent, (on 06.13.1942 according Op. AOK message 11 / South)
    01.08.1942 - Leaders Infantry Replacement Regiment 22
    01.10.1943 - Leaders, then commander of Infantry Regiment 391
    20.04.1944 - 13.05.1944 Relaxing
    16.07.1944 - 4. Army / II Corps reports to clock 00.50 to OKH / PA / AG / P 5, that Colonel Arndt,
    Commander of Infantry Regiment 391, killed on 06.07.1944
    07.21.1944 - Release according to undergoing the leader Heysing Reserve Colonel (Commander
    Grenadier Regiment 401) Colonel Arndt on 06.07.1944, 19.55 clock was lost in Molidesno (eastern front)

    Orders and decorations:
    02.23.1944 - Knight's Cross (2695) as a lieutenant colonel and commander of Infantry Regiment 391
    02.10.1936 - Service Award III. and Class IV
    18.05.1940 - Iron Cross Second Class
    08.03.1941 - Iron Cross First Class
    15.06.1942 - Certificate of Recognition (1078) as Major and commander of I. / IR 16 on the deed at Sevastopol 13/06/1942
    02.02.1942 - German Cross in Gold (68 / 3) / Captain now I. Major and commander / IR 16

    More info can be found at the link above..
    The photo of Oberst Johannes Arndt as Major
    I think the tunic is quite similar

    Any thoughts on this candidate?
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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    I copied this from the Axis history factbook, maybe this will help.

    Regards,

    Jerry




    German Cross in Gold Holders of 22. Luftlande Infanterie-Division

    A
    Arndt, Johannes, 02.02.1942, Hauptmann, I./Inf.Rgt. 16
    Aschoff, Philipp, 30.12.1943, Hauptmann, II./Gren.Rgt. 16

    B
    Behnke, Hans-Joachim, 21.08.1942, Oberleutnant d.R., 1./Inf.Rgt. 47
    Blome, Heinrich, 28.02.1945, Major d.R., II./Art.Rgt. 22
    Bock, Wilhelm, 16.01.1942, Oberleutnant, 3./Aukl.Abt. 22
    Boeckmann, Fritz, 17.01.1942, Oberfeldwebel, 12./Inf.Rgt. 47
    Boer de, Johann, 22.01.1942, Oberstleutnant, Kdr. Art.Rgt. 22
    Bruns, Diedrich, 02.02.1942, Hauptmann d.R., II./Inf.Rgt. 16
    Buhse, Rudolf, 27.10.1941, Major, III./Inf.Rgt. 47
    Busch, Hermann, 02.04.1942, Leutnant d.B., I./Inf.Rgt. 47

    C
    Choltitz von, Dietrich, 08.02.1942, Oberst, Kdr. Inf. Rgt. 16

    D
    Dechene, Leonhard, 28.02.1942, Leutnant d.R., 1./Fla-Btl. 22 (mot.)

    E

    F
    Freese, Heinrich, 27.04.1945, Major, I./Gren.Rgt. 47

    G

    H
    Haccius, Ernst, 27.10.1941, Oberst, Kdr. Inf.Rgt. 65
    Hoffmann, Dieter, 25.03.1942, Leutnant, 2./Inf.Rgt. 65

    I

    J
    Jabelmann, Karl-Hermann, 28.07.1942, Oberstleutnant, Stab/Inf.Rgt. 65

    K
    Knebel, Werner, 03.08.1942, Major, Pz.Jäg.Abt. 22
    Koepff, Karl, 11.04.1944, Oberleutnant, 5./Art.Rgt. 22
    Kohlhaas, Ludwig, 26.12.1941, Major, I./Inf.Rgt. 47

    L
    Laaff, Eduard, 11.04.1944, Oberleutnant, 13./Gren.Rgt. 47 (mot.)
    Langmann, Heinz, 08.08.1942, Oberstleutnant i.G., Ia 22. Inf.Div.
    Latz, Albert-Rudolf, 27.10.1941, Oberstleutnant, Inf.Rgt. 47

    M
    Meyer, Ernst, 24.08.1942, Obergefreiter, 4./Inf.Rgt. 16
    Müller, Friedrich-Wilhelm, 18.06.1943, Generalleutnant, Kdr. 22. Inf.Div.

    N

    O
    Ohlenbusch, Günter, 24.08.1942, Feldwebel, 1./Inf.Rgt. 16
    Ortmann, Erich, 21.08.1942, Hauptmann, I./Inf.Rgt. 65
    Ostermeyer, Friedrich, 02.02.1942, Major d.R., III./Inf.Rgt. 16

    P
    Pretz, Robert, 03.08.1942, Major, Pi.Btl. 22

    Q

    R

    S
    Saldern-Brallentin von, Sylvester, 16.04.1944, Major, II./Gren.Rgt. 65
    Sander, Hans Heinrich, 26.12.1941, Major d.R., II./Inf.Rgt. 16
    Schreiber, Hans-Jürgen, 03.06.1942, Oberleutnant, 4./Aufkl.Abt. 22
    Schultze, Johann, 21.08.1942, Oberfeldwebel, 5./Inf.Rgt. 65
    Siefken, Johann, 27.04.1945, Hauptmann d.R., II./Gren.Rgt. 16
    Steinacker, Heinrich, 21.10.1942, Oberleutnant, Fla-Btl. (mot) 22
    Steinmann, Günther, 28.02.1942, Leutnant d.R., 7./Inf.Rgt. 16
    Strohmeyer, Wilhelm, 21.08.1942, Feldwebel, 13./Inf.Rgt. 47

    T
    Taddicken, Heinz, 30.12.1943, Leutnant, 7./Gren.Rgt. 65
    Thies, Alfred, 02.04.1942, Oberleutnant, Inf.Rgt. 47
    Thoma, Otto-Gerhard, 24.05.1942, Major, II./Art.Rgt. 22
    Timm, Willi, 15.12.1944, Oberstleutnant, Gren.Rgt. 47

    U
    Ullrich, Werner, 19.01.1942, Oberleutnant, 1./Fla-Btl. (mot) 22

    V
    Voigt, Hans, 02.01.1942, Hauptmann, Inf.Rgt. 47

    W
    Waiblinger, Gerhard, 02.11.1941, Oberleutnant, II./Inf.Rgt. 65
    Westerhoff, Joseph, 21.08.1942, Oberfeldwebel, 2./Inf.Rgt. 65
    Wolff, Ludwig, 08.02.1942, Generalmajor, Kdr. 22. Inf.Div.

    X

    Y

    Z
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Thanks for the list "vonbond"

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    Default Re: HELP ID owner of this Infantry Rgt 16. Major`s M36 Tunic, DKiG reciptant.

    Quote by oksnevad_2 View Post
    The photo of Oberst Johannes Arndt as Major
    I think the tunic is quite similar

    Any thoughts on this candidate?
    I cannot comment on how likely Arndt is as the previous owner of that field blouse, but it is definitely not the one he is wearing in the above photograph.
    There are several noticeable differences, for example the pocket flaps (note the different scalloping) or the front closure (The tunic worn in the photograph has a deeper overlap; note the distance from the buttonholes to the flap's edge.)
    That alone does not eliminate Arndt, of course, as he would have had several field blouses.

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