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Please help identify Luftwaffe specialist patches!

Article about: Hello, I am new to the Forum and this is my first post. Recently I purchased a small group of Luftwaffe specialist or trade patches and 3 shoulder boards. Some of them I have been able to re

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    Hello,
    I am new to the Forum and this is my first post.
    Recently I purchased a small group of Luftwaffe specialist or trade patches and 3 shoulder boards. Some of them I have been able to research and find the names while others are still a mystery. I believe they are all original and they do pass the blacklight test. Most were pasted in an album and show traces of glue and paper on the back. Some were identified on the back with medical tape and ballpoint pen.
    I would be very happy if those of you who know these patches would list the correct names and tell me why the ones with the gold bullion borders and white rope borders are significant.
    Also, there is one patch that I believe is a Fascist Italian Black Shirt patch ( gold & silver bullion) but know nothing else. Thank you for your help!

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    Hello and welcome to the forum!
    I can help with a few of your items but I do not really study all of the Luftwaffe insignia.
    The shoulder board with red piping is for Luft. Flak. the one with yellow is either flight or signals.
    The top right sleeve patch is also for Luft. Flak. and the one below it I believe is for mechanic, the eagle below that is a cap eagle or possibly breast eagle depending on size. (leaning strongly towards cap).
    The ones on the left of the two bottom rows are rank patches. The single lightning bolt is for signals and the one directly to the left of it is for medical corp.
    That is about all I can help you with but there are other members who will be able to assist you with the rest.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    Hi and welcome to the forum. Not up on this sort of insignia but a nice little collection if all prove to be genuine. Well done.
    Steve.
    Quilly58

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    No. 1 through 5 are rank insignia. They are:
    1.) Shoulder board for the rank of Unteroffizier, Flak branch.
    2.) Shoulder board for a private of the technical/construction branch. The pip should not be on the board.
    3.) Shoulder board for the rank of Unteroffizier of the flying branch. Again, the pips should not be on the board, as the SNCO ranks wearing rank pips had the Tresse border all around the shoulder board, not open at the bottom. (Also, three pips should not be aligned in one line; there would be two side by side at the bottom and one more on top.)
    4.) Sleeve rank badge for Obersoldat, Oberschütze etc. in the tropical version. This rank did not exist in the Luftwaffe.
    5.) Ditto.

    No. 6 is the national eagle. This would be the size worn on cloth headgear.

    No. 7 through 21 are Tätigkeitsabzeichen (trade/specialty badges). They are for:
    7.) Flugzeugpersonal (technical aircraft personnel)
    8.) Horcher (sound location operators)
    9.) E-Meßleute (rangefinders) [Note: The Swastika is backwards!]
    10.) Flakartillerie (anti-aircraft artillery) [2nd model.]
    11.) Fliegendes Personal (aircrew) [Worn until the airman had attained a flight badge.]
    12.) Fernsprechunteroffiziere (telephone operator NCOs) [The same badge without the cord edging was worn by Luftnachrichtenpersonal mit Fernsprechprüfung B (air signals personnel with grade "B" telephone operators' certificate). The badge should be turned around by 90 degrees.]
    13.) Verwaltungsunteroffiziere (administrative NCOs)
    14.) Geräteverwalter (Ln.) (personnel in charge of technical equipment in the air signals branch)
    15.) Waffenpersonal (armorer)
    16.) Schirrmeister/Geräteverwalter (K.) (technical NCOs for motor vehicles)
    17.) Fernschreibunteroffiziere (teletype operator NCOs) [The same badge without the cord edging was worn by Luftnachrichtenpersonal mit Fernschreibprüfung B (air signals personnel with grade "B" teletype operators' certificate.]
    18.) Sanitätspersonal (medical personnel)
    19.) Truppennachrichtenpersonal (signals personnels outside the signals branch)
    20.) Kraftfahrpersonal (motor vehicle drivers)
    21.) Ditto

    The gold cord edging on no. 9, 16 and 21 was a distinction for good achievements in the respective field.

    I cannot ID no. 22. As has been said above, it appears to be an Italian Fascist badge. In any case, it is not German.

    I cannot comment on originality or value.

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    Thank you Gentlemen for the requested information.
    HPL2008 Thank you for your very explicit description of each badge. On the badge you marked as number 9 you said that this was the reverse side. Could it be that the factory applied the gold cord the wrong way? Here is a closer photo of both sides ( my marked # 11 ) and please let me know your thoughts on this. Also, what letter is this shown top center? Thank you!
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    Quote by Combat Boots View Post
    On the badge you marked as number 9 you said that this was the reverse side.
    It is not:

    I initially wrote it was the reverse side when I saw the backwards Swastika. However, after a second look I noticed that the Gothic "E" was not backwards and edited my original comment.

    The patch was posted with the correct side up and the cord is also applied the right way. The problem is the mirror-image Swastika.

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    Also, you have stated that the pips on the shoulder boards are incorrect. Would you remove them if they were yours? They appear to have been on there for a long time. Thank you again for your reply.

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    Quote by Combat Boots View Post
    Also, you have stated that the pips on the shoulder boards are incorrect. Would you remove them if they were yours? They appear to have been on there for a long time.
    Personally, I think I would, but that is wholly up to you to decide.

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    Personally, I think I would, but that is wholly up to you to decide.
    I appreciate your response and experience.
    There is also another pair of shoulder boards in my collection that I am unsure about. Please let me know what these are and if they look correct to you. Thank you!

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    These are shoulder boards from the Heer (Army). Note the dark green badgecloth top and field grey base vs. the blue-grey of the Luftwaffe (Air Force) and also the different patterns of Tresse (braid) used by the two services.

    Rank is Unterfeldwebel, the higher of the two JNCO ranks.

    The white branch color in combination with the "19" cyphers identifies Infanterieregiment 19 .

    I see nothing wrong with them, but again would like to leave others to comment on authenticity.

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