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    Hello,

    can somebody help me with this uncommon type of uniform? I think it's from an Unteroffiziersschule, but the collar tabs are like RAD tabs.
    So what is it exactly?

    RegardsClick image for larger version. 

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    He's not a soldier from an Unteroffiziersschule [NCO School], but a student at an Unteroffiziervorschule [NCO Preparatory School].

    His shoulder boards and collar patches are of the regulation patterns for students at these schools and have no connection to the RAD.
    The "UV / V" shoulder board cyphers identify the Unteroffiziersvorschule in Wehrkreis V; the color of the cord loops at the base of the boards identifies the grade he is in [1st year of school = no cord, 2nd year = bright red cord, 3rd year = golden-yellow cord].

    The peaked cap and the badge on his marksmanship lanyard are non-regulation, but nonetheless common aspects of his uniform: The students wanted to look as much as soldiers (which they weren't yet) as possible and often wore uniform items and badges to which they were not yet entitled.
    (Officially, students were to wear sidecaps only and had a special pattern of marksmanship lanyard without the metal badge.)
    Last edited by HPL2008; 06-20-2016 at 08:49 PM.

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    Many thanks for the very good description! So this guy is in the 3rd year of the Unteroffiziersvorschule and wears a Schützenschnur 5-8. Klasse.

    Beste Grüße!

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    Quote by Landser I View Post
    So this guy is in the 3rd year of the Unteroffiziersvorschule and wears a Schützenschnur 5-8. Klasse.
    No, actually; it's the 1939-model badge for the 1st - 4th grade of the Army's marksmanship lanyard attached to the school-pattern lanyard.

    (The wreath, swords and shield on the badge for the 5th - 8th grade were more massive.)

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    If indeed the visored cap was non-regulation (post 2), I am not sure about it.
    The "students" from the Unteroffiziervorschule were practically dressed as
    those for the Heeresmusikschule. At such institution it was quite common
    to wear a visored cap. Not only an individual, but also by complete classes.

    First a photo from March 1945; second a group-photo from the year 1940/1941.
    In the middle standing Stabsmusikmeister Paul Prager.

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    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Here another photo from a guy from a Unteroffiziervorschule,
    wearing the visored cap.

    Shown Hans Hönscheidt from the 2./HUVS Jülich in 1943,
    The shoulder-strap shows Wehrkreis VI.

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    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Thanks for the photographs, Wim.

    I must admit I don't know the actual period regulations for the students' uniform and headgear. The information is from the German edition of Angolia & Schlicht's "Uniform and Traditions..." series (which, of course, may be incorrect).

    The authors mention the common, but unofficial practice of students wearing items of clothing restricted to soldiers. Wear of the peaked cap instead of the sidecap is mentioned as an example, along with wear of grey pebbled buttons, army-pattern marksmanship lanyards (grade 1 - 4), patent leather belts with private-purchase bayonets and Troddeln.

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    I do not know if there were announcements about the wearing of headgear
    at an UVS. What is said is mainly related to the use of the cuff-title and
    the years-indications. I think the use of the field-cap was favorite, as it
    was easy to put away.

    This also goes for the Heeresmusikschule, but many photos show the wearing
    of the visored cap. I think they were in use as long as they were available
    and in stock! The same goes also for the Grosses Militär-Waisenhaus. Young
    members often did wear the field-cap, as elder boys the visored cap (this
    is anyway for Potsdam). In Austria largely the field-cap was worn (as far as
    I can remember).

    I do not know what is said about it in the "Heeres-Verordnungsblatt" or
    "Allgemeine Heeresmitteilungen". Have no time to check this at this moment.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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