09-14-2013 09:46 AM
Totally original and un-messed with Alcoso mid period army dagger. Lovely black patina........I like it !. Unusually the scabbard looks to have a single centrally placed throat retaining screw ( most ACS daggers have twin flat head side screws ) but that would not bother me looking at the matching patina to the scabbard and overall appearance. They probably just used a Generic shell and added ACS scabbard bands. When you say the grip is turning..........do you mean the whole grip rotates with the pommel screwed down or are you referring to being able to turn the pommel?. The grip is without any doubt an Alcoso grip, it was designed with a flared upper section to marry with the flared pommel unique to Alcoso.
If there is some movement in the grip on the blade tang, this is quite normal with Alcoso army daggers. The firm had a habit of fixing the pommels in place after the hilt assembly and over the course of 60 years the leather blade washer / buffer flattens and shrinks with insertion of the dagger into the scabbard. This causes the hilt fittings to become slightly loose as you are unable to tighten the pommel to counter the shrinkage. Do NOT attempt to force or over-tighten the pommel.......you are likely to damage either the internal thread of the pommel or in severe cases sheer the blade tang.
You would be mad to clean that army dagger. In my opinion this dagger has not been cleaned since the end of the war, to clean it now would be borderline sacrilege, the patina is what sets this dagger apart from your standard run of the mill Alcoso army dagger. There are ways to eliminate the play in the hilt fittings if the pommel will not tighten, personally I would leave it exactly "as is ". A simple coat of Renwax to the blade would be the only thing I would attempt.
I am an army dagger collector so I am slightly biased when it comes to choosing between the Luft etc but I am sure somebody else can chime in with an opinion on the 1st Luft.............value is always what you are willing to pay. I would be asking for better pictures of the blade before making my decision
ok so i won't clean it if i buy it!
i'll prefer to go for an unmessed army dagger than for a mismatched Luftwaffe dagger i think
he ask the same price for both 225€ per piece which is a good price i guess ^^
thank you for the enlightments again
Very nice price for that piece , the hangers alone are worth half that price !!!
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As said above please don't clean it, as it looks great as it is!...
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Hi to all, I just want to say that this is very nice army dagger in untouched condition! If I have chance I will add this dagger into my collection
Why would you have any doubts?
That horroble Luftwaffe was posted by you before, you had some advise then.
What do you want with it posting again?
Would you want me to say, hey....suddenly it turned into aa great one overnight? its a great one, buy it.
Any money on that dagger will be lost, can you find a buyer for it in the future do you think? honest?
You know know this is an unmessed Heer dagger for a good price.
The Luftwaffe dagger is not an attractive piece in any way.
Take your pick
btw: please take the advise at heart, and DONT clean the dagger.
I posted a Alcoso here while back in this column don't clean it leave as is as other's have stated. Good original dagger. timothy