Real or Fake? pt. 2 Heer dagger

[bertscollection]

Looking for history and pricing

[Eddie]

Heer dress dagger, looks like a nice piece, great grip on that one!

[wolfeknives]

I would guess that this is a parts dagger. The "B" type generic (or maybe Wingen/Herder) guard is not usually associated with a slant grip. As well the grip has been worked down to fit the pommel. I am not a fan of the scabbard either.
Wolfgang

[n0valyfe]

Scabbard looks a little shoddy?

[85ronnies]

Scabbard looks like a fake to me also, see the fan shape in it? Hmm also like Wolfie says grip been reworked also i have seen this maker on fake 2nd lufty daggers, for me sorry
cheers Ronnie

[Larry C]

I am not comfortable with the makers logo as this looks printed on and I dont remember seeing that maker logo before. The ferrule ring above the crossguard lacks any detail. Parts dagger for me also. Regards Larry

[Eddie]

Good calls guys, I can see the signs of it being a put together piece now.

[operaman]

I agree with Larry,just went through my logos and did not find one like the one shown

[wolfeknives]

I have done some research on this dagger since I knew that I had seen this makers mark before.
It is a spanish copy. The mark supposedly stands for Herbertz & Meurer. The proper mark is completely different from the one shown on this dagger.
The grip has been replaced on this example because the original (fake) grip was made of cast plastic, a dead give away. As mentioned, the swirl pattern scabbard, although sometimes seen on original daggers, is a red light on this example. From the photos it appeared that the guard is an original, but it is not, it came with the repro dagger. I know of no original blade with the wide center section and very narrow blade grind seen here.
Wolfgang

Wolfgang