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Article about: Hello This is my first Post in this Forum so first i will tell you something about me.I´m 18 years old and I´m from Germany.I search informations about the units of my Grandfather who is mis

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    Default Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42

    Hello
    This is my first Post in this Forum so first i will tell you something about me.I´m 18 years old and I´m from Germany.I search informations about the units of my Grandfather who is missing in Ostpreußen since 1945.
    I search Informations of the following Units:

    4. Ersatz-Kompanie-Pionier-Bataillon 20
    1.Kompanie -Pionier-Lehrbataillon 1
    5.Kompanie -Pionier-Lehrbataillon 2
    6.Kompanie Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42

    My grandfathers Dogtag ID is: -104-,4.E.Kp.Pi.20

    I hope that someone can help me out with Informations or pictures ore anythingelse about these units because it would be a big help for me and my grandmother.
    Have a nice day,Welsman

    Ps:I´m sorry my english is not so good but i hope you can read it

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    gluck auf meind freund

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    Pionier Lehr Btl 1 & II/Heeres Pionier Brigade 42-
    Pionier-Lehr Bataillon
    Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1 (2 Nov 39)
    II./Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42 (1945)
    10 May 40 XI Corps, 6th Army, Army Group B
    22 Jun 41 XXXIX Corps (mot.), Third Panzer Group, Army Group Center
    10, 30 Jul 41 XXXIX Corps (mot.), 3rd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
    20 Aug 41 XXXIX Corps (mot.), 16th Army, Army Group North
    1, 22 Jan, 1, 11, 24 Feb, 14 Mar 42 XXXIX Corps (mot.), 16th Army, Army Group North
    [Niehorster: 28 Jun 42, Army Group D]
    1 Oct 42 XXXXIV Corps, 17th Army, Army Group A less 1 company assigned to XXXXIX Mountain Corps, 17th Army
    [Newton: 12 Mar 43 attached to LVII Panzer Corps, 4th Panzer Army, Army Group South]
    5 Jul 43 XXXXVIII Panzer Corps, 4th Panzer Army, Army Group South]
    FTF: Sep I 39 1-8 Aslt Eng II Lehr
    SE: Sep I 42 1-10 m Aslt Eng II Lehr

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    Pionier Lehr Btl 2 -
    Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 2
    II./Volks-Pionier-Lehr-Brigade 48 (1944)
    10 Dec 39 raised as school troops in WK XI
    Feb 42 mobilized
    3 Feb 42 Stab and 2 companies assigned to Gruppe Haflinde (sp?), XXXX Corps (mot.), 4th Army, Army Group Center
    9 Feb 42 9th Army, Army Group Center less 2./ assigned to 4th Army
    8 Mar 42 9th Army, Army Group Center less 2., and 3./ assigned to 4th Panzer Army
    10 May 42 1 company split between XXIII Corps, 9th Army and Armee-Pioniere-Führer, 9th Army, Army Group Center
    [Niehorster: 28 Jun 42, Army Group Center]
    [Newton: 5 Jul 43 XXXXVII Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center

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    I/Heeres Pionier Brigade 42 -
    Pionier-Bataillon 42 (mot.)
    I./Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42 (Nov 44)
    1935 formed in WK II as a corps pioneer battalion (mot.)
    3 Sep 39 3rd Army, Army Group North
    10 May 40 6th Army, Army Group B
    20 Jun-13 Aug 41 XXXXVII Corps (mot.), 2nd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
    14-18 Aug 41 XX Corps, 2nd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
    19-27 Aug 41 XXXXVII Corps (mot.), 2nd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
    28 Aug-26 Sep 41 2nd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
    27 Sep 41-31 Jul 42 XXXXVII Panzer Corps, 2nd Panzer Army, Army Group Center
    1 Aug-30 Sep 42 XXXXI Panzer Corps, 2nd Panzer Army, Army Group Center
    1 Oct-31 Dec 42 XXXXVII Panzer Corps, 2nd Panzer Army, Army Group Center
    [Newton: 5 Jul 43 XXXXVI Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center

    As he was in the 6 Kompanie of Heeres Pionier Brigade 42 I think the first of these 3 posts is more relevant as he would of been in the 2nd Battalion. Here is it's entry on Lexikon... http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...nierBrig42.htm

    All 3 above posts taken from Independent Pioniere-Truppen

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    Thank you hucks216 you helped me a lot!
    If somebody has got more informations or pictures or enythingelse i would be happy if you tell me.

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    Welcome to the forum Welsman;

    Here's your Opa's first unit- the one he began in when he entered service, and from which he received his Erkennungsmarke:

    Pionier-Bataillon 20

    1. Aufstellung:

    * 1.10.1934 als Pionier-Bataillon Sperenberg, 15.10.1935 Pionier-Bataillon 20, 1938 motorisiert,
    Friedensstandort Hamburg-Harburg, Wehrkreis X.


    2. Unterstellung:

    20. Infanterie-Division (motorisiert), 20. Panzer-Grenadier-Division


    3. Ersatz:

    20 Hamburg-Harburg, Wehrkreis X



    And some slightly different information on the units hucks216 already posted:

    Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1

    1. Aufstellung:

    * 2.11.1939 in Dessau-Roßlau, Wehrkreis XI, infolge Übernahme des Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon
    (*1.10.1936 als Pionier-Lehr- u. Versorgungs-Bataillon, Friedensstandort Dessau-Roßlau) in
    das Feldheer, wird 1945 II./H.Pionier-Brigade 42.


    2. Unterstellung:

    Heerestruppe, Frankreich, Rußland, zuletzt Galizien (AOK 17), dann Ostpreußen (AOK 2)


    3. Ersatz:

    2 (Pionier-Lehr), später 4 (Pionier-Lehr) Dessau-Roßlau


    Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 2

    1. Aufstellung:

    * 10.12.1939 in Dessau-Roßlau, Wehrkreis XI, aus dem Restkommando des Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1
    als Lehrtruppe für die Pionierschule 2, 7.6.1940 bis 1.7.1940 vorübergehende Feldverwendung beim
    Oberrhein-Übergang, Februar 1942 erneut mobil (die zurückbleibende 4.-6. Kompanie am 15.7.1942
    zum Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 4), zuletzt Heeresgruppe Mitte, wird Herbst 1944 II./Volks-Pionier-Lehr-
    Brigade 47.


    2. Unterstellung:

    Heerestruppe, Rußland


    3. Ersatz:

    4 (Pionier-Lehr) Dessau-Roßlau, Wehrkreis XI


    Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42

    1. Aufstellung:

    * November 1944: Stab aus Stab Pionier-Regiment 677, I. aus Pionier-Bataillon 42, II. aus Pionier-
    Lehr-Bataillon 1.


    2. Gliederung:

    I. 1-3, II. 4-6


    3. Unterstellung:

    Heerestruppe: Weichselbogen, Schlesien (17. Armee), das II. detachiert bei 9. Armee.



    The bold text was done by me since it's relevant- if your Opa's final unit was 6. Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42, indeed hucks216 is quite right, he was in the II. Bataillon, and that was formed using personnel from Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1. Since Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 2 became II./Volks-Pionier-Lehr-Brigade 47, obviously your Opa may have only been there temporarily or perhaps before he went to Pi. Lehr Batl. 1, or maybe he went back to 1 after he was with 2 and it's just not listed. But everything makes sense- a soldier's Ersatz unit was just where he started and received his basic training, and sometimes the field unit he was assigned to wasn't directly associated- in this it wasn't. But it's clear how the field units are related. II./Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42 is listed as being detached to the 9. Armee, and the last entry for its Schlacht- und Gefechtsbezeichnungen is:

    16. Rückzugskämpfe zwischen Weichsel und Oder 13.1.1945-Ende 1.1945
    dabei: Verteidigung von Warschau 13.1.1945-18.1.1945
    Verteidigung von Posen 22.1.1945-23.2.1945
    Frankfurt und Küstrin Anf. 2.1945-16.4.1945
    südlich Berlin (Kessel von Halbe) 17.4.1945-1.5.1945

    So from all this, if you have the dates associated with the various units your Opa served in, you can see where he was at those times, and even where he might have been last.

    I hope this helps
    Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...

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    Quote by Matt L View Post
    Welcome to the forum Welsman;

    Here's your Opa's first unit- the one he began in when he entered service, and from which he received his Erkennungsmarke:

    Pionier-Bataillon 20

    1. Aufstellung:

    * 1.10.1934 als Pionier-Bataillon Sperenberg, 15.10.1935 Pionier-Bataillon 20, 1938 motorisiert,
    Friedensstandort Hamburg-Harburg, Wehrkreis X.


    2. Unterstellung:

    20. Infanterie-Division (motorisiert), 20. Panzer-Grenadier-Division


    3. Ersatz:

    20 Hamburg-Harburg, Wehrkreis X



    And some slightly different information on the units hucks216 already posted:

    Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1

    1. Aufstellung:

    * 2.11.1939 in Dessau-Roßlau, Wehrkreis XI, infolge Übernahme des Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon
    (*1.10.1936 als Pionier-Lehr- u. Versorgungs-Bataillon, Friedensstandort Dessau-Roßlau) in
    das Feldheer, wird 1945 II./H.Pionier-Brigade 42.


    2. Unterstellung:

    Heerestruppe, Frankreich, Rußland, zuletzt Galizien (AOK 17), dann Ostpreußen (AOK 2)


    3. Ersatz:

    2 (Pionier-Lehr), später 4 (Pionier-Lehr) Dessau-Roßlau


    Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 2

    1. Aufstellung:

    * 10.12.1939 in Dessau-Roßlau, Wehrkreis XI, aus dem Restkommando des Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1
    als Lehrtruppe für die Pionierschule 2, 7.6.1940 bis 1.7.1940 vorübergehende Feldverwendung beim
    Oberrhein-Übergang, Februar 1942 erneut mobil (die zurückbleibende 4.-6. Kompanie am 15.7.1942
    zum Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 4), zuletzt Heeresgruppe Mitte, wird Herbst 1944 II./Volks-Pionier-Lehr-
    Brigade 47.


    2. Unterstellung:

    Heerestruppe, Rußland


    3. Ersatz:

    4 (Pionier-Lehr) Dessau-Roßlau, Wehrkreis XI


    Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42

    1. Aufstellung:

    * November 1944: Stab aus Stab Pionier-Regiment 677, I. aus Pionier-Bataillon 42, II. aus Pionier-
    Lehr-Bataillon 1.


    2. Gliederung:

    I. 1-3, II. 4-6


    3. Unterstellung:

    Heerestruppe: Weichselbogen, Schlesien (17. Armee), das II. detachiert bei 9. Armee.



    The bold text was done by me since it's relevant- if your Opa's final unit was 6. Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42, indeed hucks216 is quite right, he was in the II. Bataillon, and that was formed using personnel from Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 1. Since Pionier-Lehr-Bataillon 2 became II./Volks-Pionier-Lehr-Brigade 47, obviously your Opa may have only been there temporarily or perhaps before he went to Pi. Lehr Batl. 1, or maybe he went back to 1 after he was with 2 and it's just not listed. But everything makes sense- a soldier's Ersatz unit was just where he started and received his basic training, and sometimes the field unit he was assigned to wasn't directly associated- in this it wasn't. But it's clear how the field units are related. II./Heeres-Pionier-Brigade 42 is listed as being detached to the 9. Armee, and the last entry for its Schlacht- und Gefechtsbezeichnungen is:

    16. Rückzugskämpfe zwischen Weichsel und Oder 13.1.1945-Ende 1.1945
    dabei: Verteidigung von Warschau 13.1.1945-18.1.1945
    Verteidigung von Posen 22.1.1945-23.2.1945
    Frankfurt und Küstrin Anf. 2.1945-16.4.1945
    südlich Berlin (Kessel von Halbe) 17.4.1945-1.5.1945

    So from all this, if you have the dates associated with the various units your Opa served in, you can see where he was at those times, and even where he might have been last.

    I hope this helps

    Yeah!Thank you that helped me a lot
    If somebody has got more Informations please tell me

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    Has got anyone pictures or something from this units?

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