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Article about: I have just bought the book Devils Guard by George Elford about a batallion of Waffen ss in the Ferench Foreign Legion. I have tried to research this to see how true to life the book is but

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    I'm thinking of collecting some FFL items, anyone know of a good site?

    Nick
    I think theyre recruiting at the moment.

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    Some former soldiers of the Polish NSZ Brygada Świętokrzyska - Holy Cross Mountains Brigade - also enlisted with the FFL after the end of WWII.

    Also the Brygada Świętokrzyska leadership, which became based in France, offered to set up a "Free Polish Legion" to fight in Korea but their offer was turned down by both Britain and the US.
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    Indochina : 55% to 63% German in the FFL.

    A song of the 2nd paratrooper Regiment is a waffen SS song .

    HERE : "FFL_SONG - YouTube"

    Other german songs in the FFL : Legion Etrangere - chant vs lied.. - YouTube

    And here an old version of the waffen SS song , by the FFL (perhaps indochina) : FFL march - YouTube

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    origin : The Wise Old Owl: Vietnam...The Sorrow of WAR and other books.



    Friday, August 27, 2010

    Vietnam...The Sorrow of WAR and other books.
    My recent trip to Vietnam In June was hugely meaningful for me personally.
    I have had so much contact and connection with Vietnam through the books I've read
    over several decades.
    As Professor Higgins confessed in the movie musical My Fair Lady ...." I've grown accustomed
    to her face. " Me too, except this is the face of Vietnam that I've grown familiar with.
    Here in this blogpost, I would like to share a brief insight about 3 books from my Vietnam section.


    First published in 1972, Devil's Guard by George Robert Elford tells about the life story
    of an ex- German Waffen SS officer who, after the end of World War 2, who escaped the
    war crime trials in Europe and joined the French Foreign Legion.
    His name: Hans Josef Wagemueller. He and other escaped Germans like him were then
    sent to Indo-china ( Vietnam ) to fight against the Viet Minh. Their battalion was nicknamed
    the "DEVILS GUARD ".
    Of all the factual books about Vietnam and the wars connected with it which I have in my library
    or have read, I would rate the account in this book as the most brutal and raw that I have come across to date. The degenerate and totally inhuman violence that both sides perpetrated on each other is so shocking that you need to have strong nerves and a steady hand to hold the book while reading it. If you can somehow set aside the brutality and gruesome descriptions of some of the most inhuman acts against a human being...you will learn much about the brilliant German mind at work and the equally fascinating response from their formidable foes.
    It is my belief that reading this book and learning from the Devils Guard concept of jungle warfare would have been of a super great help to all those greenhorn GIs and fresh college kids from America who were sent to Vietnam....many of whom did not survive.

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    = use of german & ss material by the FFL (weapons, perts of uniforms ....)

    A short hose in w SS camoufled - 1948 Caporal 3 REI


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    Origin : SS and the Foreign Legion

    ss tarnjacke


    camoufled german uniform ?
    Last edited by kz11gr; 12-27-2012 at 11:31 PM.

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    Thanks for that info!

    Nick
    "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem

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    I just bought 3 of the Elford Devil's Guard books. I am looking forward to reading them.

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    Quote by kz11gr View Post
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    Hello

    Indochina : 55% to 63% German in the FFL.

    A song of the 2nd paratrooper Regiment is a waffen SS song .

    HERE : "FFL_SONG - YouTube"

    Other german songs in the FFL : Legion Etrangere - chant vs lied.. - YouTube

    And here an old version of the waffen SS song , by the FFL (perhaps indochina) : FFL march - YouTube

    =

    ===============

    origin : The Wise Old Owl: Vietnam...The Sorrow of WAR and other books.



    Friday, August 27, 2010

    Vietnam...The Sorrow of WAR and other books.
    My recent trip to Vietnam In June was hugely meaningful for me personally.
    I have had so much contact and connection with Vietnam through the books I've read
    over several decades.
    As Professor Higgins confessed in the movie musical My Fair Lady ...." I've grown accustomed
    to her face. " Me too, except this is the face of Vietnam that I've grown familiar with.
    Here in this blogpost, I would like to share a brief insight about 3 books from my Vietnam section.


    First published in 1972, Devil's Guard by George Robert Elford tells about the life story
    of an ex- German Waffen SS officer who, after the end of World War 2, who escaped the
    war crime trials in Europe and joined the French Foreign Legion.
    His name: Hans Josef Wagemueller. He and other escaped Germans like him were then
    sent to Indo-china ( Vietnam ) to fight against the Viet Minh. Their battalion was nicknamed
    the "DEVILS GUARD ".
    Of all the factual books about Vietnam and the wars connected with it which I have in my library
    or have read, I would rate the account in this book as the most brutal and raw that I have come across to date. The degenerate and totally inhuman violence that both sides perpetrated on each other is so shocking that you need to have strong nerves and a steady hand to hold the book while reading it. If you can somehow set aside the brutality and gruesome descriptions of some of the most inhuman acts against a human being...you will learn much about the brilliant German mind at work and the equally fascinating response from their formidable foes.
    It is my belief that reading this book and learning from the Devils Guard concept of jungle warfare would have been of a super great help to all those greenhorn GIs and fresh college kids from America who were sent to Vietnam....many of whom did not survive.

    =============







    =

    A short hose in w SS camoufled - 1948 Caporal 3 REI


    ===

    Origin : SS and the Foreign Legion

    ss tarnjacke
    Interesting photos and info thanks for posting !
    The gates of hell were opened and we accepted the invitation to enter" 26/880 Lance Sgt, Edward Dyke. 26th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers , ( 3rd Tyneside Irish )

    1st July 1916

    Thought shall be the harder , heart the keener,
    Courage the greater as our strength faileth.
    Here lies our leader ,in the dust of his greatness.
    Who leaves him now , be damned forever.
    We who are old now shall not leave this Battle,
    But lie at his feet , in the dust with our leader

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    Updated information on soldiers of the Polish NSZ Brygada Świętokrzyska - Holy Cross Mountains Brigade - who enlisted with the FFL after the end of WWII.

    On the basis of letters sent to the Brigade’s headquarters in Germany and intercepted by the CIC [Agent Report, 7970 CIC 1948, CIC Holy Cross Brigade File, FOIA], there is evidence that soldiers of the Brigade were fighting with the French Foreign Legion in Morocco and others had gone to the war breaking out against French rule in Southeast Asia.

    Source: The Anabasis of the Holy Cross Brigade —Reflected in the Documents of the United States Government 1945-1950 by David & Todd Morgan
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    I have served in 2REP(FFL's airborne regiment) from 2002 to 2007 and I can confirm that after WW2 there was enormous amount of ex waffen SS and falschirmjager's in FFL. Most of our traditional songs are Wermacht or SS songs sung in French, and during Fete de Camerone I have met with some old guys who served 8 or more years in Indochina and Algeres and do not speek any French only German. That fact testifies that there must have been units at that time composed of mainly german soldiers. My Companies song "Le soleil brille" is Falschirmjeager song "Rot scheint die sonne."
    And Regimental song "Le Diable marche avec nous" is SS song "SS marchiert in feindesland".
    The "Westerwald lied" is sung in German durig marches, also "Rosemarie".
    "Panzer lied" is "Les Kepis blancs".
    The security service in Legion is still called by us Legionnaires L'Gestapo.
    ZAnd so on...

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    Quote by JURA7818 View Post
    I have served in 2REP(FFL's airborne regiment) from 2002 to 2007 and I can confirm that after WW2 there was enormous amount of ex waffen SS and falschirmjager's in FFL. Most of our traditional songs are Wermacht or SS songs sung in French, and during Fete de Camerone I have met with some old guys who served 8 or more years in Indochina and Algeres and do not speek any French only German. That fact testifies that there must have been units at that time composed of mainly german soldiers. My Companies song "Le soleil brille" is Falschirmjeager song "Rot scheint die sonne."
    And Regimental song "Le Diable marche avec nous" is SS song "SS marchiert in feindesland".
    The "Westerwald lied" is sung in German durig marches, also "Rosemarie".
    "Panzer lied" is "Les Kepis blancs".
    The security service in Legion is still called by us Legionnaires L'Gestapo.
    ZAnd so on...
    Thanks very much for the interesting info!...
    It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.



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    Quote by JURA7818 View Post
    I have served in 2REP(FFL's airborne regiment) from 2002 to 2007 and I can confirm that after WW2 there was enormous amount of ex waffen SS and falschirmjager's in FFL. Most of our traditional songs are Wermacht or SS songs sung in French, and during Fete de Camerone I have met with some old guys who served 8 or more years in Indochina and Algeres and do not speek any French only German. That fact testifies that there must have been units at that time composed of mainly german soldiers. My Companies song "Le soleil brille" is Falschirmjeager song "Rot scheint die sonne."
    And Regimental song "Le Diable marche avec nous" is SS song "SS marchiert in feindesland".
    The "Westerwald lied" is sung in German durig marches, also "Rosemarie".
    "Panzer lied" is "Les Kepis blancs".
    The security service in Legion is still called by us Legionnaires L'Gestapo.
    ZAnd so on...
    Thank you for that information and welcome to the forum!

    If you can share some tales and pics of your time in the Legion that would be amazing!!

    Nick
    "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem

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