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    An interesting UK Channel 4 documentary

    Churchill and the Fascist Plot


    The compelling story of how Winston Churchill and MI5 hunted down a group of British fascist aristocrats plotting to bring down the government and forge an alliance with Adolf Hitler.

    Can viewed on 4oD service or it is repeated tonight C4 at 20.00 hrs.
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    I watched it yesterday, it is well worth watching!...
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    Quote by Gunny Hartmann View Post
    I watched it yesterday, it is well worth watching!...
    I agree and IMHO it goes someway in explaining why Churchill's own political party, the Conservatives or Tories did NOT want him to lead the wartime British government as Prime Minister; Churchill got the post thanks to the votes of the left wing socialist Labour Party MPs!

    The Conservatives had backed Lord Halifax who was, as the socialist Labour opposition rightly believed, in favour of seeking a peace deal with Hitler's Nazi Germany.

    Now for me the intriguing question is why would Churchill matter more to the Labour Party and its socialists than the Tory party of the right...and one thought comes to mind and that is Stalin and the communists.

    The Labour Party, was almost entirely sponsored by the Trade Unions who themselves were sponsored directly and indirectly by the communist regime of Stalin's USSR and with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between the Soviets and Nazi Germany effectively (at that time) keeping the USSR out of a war with Germany I believe it was to Stalin's benefit, and plan, that Germany and the British Empire slug it out so that the Soviets could pick up the pieces of Europe when the two powers had exhausted themselves militarily.

    So in my view it was absolutely imperative to Stalin that Churchill who would prosecute the war was elected as British PM and not Lord Halifax who would have sued for peace with Germany leading the way open again for Hitler to turn his attention east to the despised Jewish-Bolshevik regime of the USSR. Only the Soviets IMO could have influenced the Labour MP's to have voted Churchill in when his own party did not support him....just my little theory of course
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    It's an interesting theory though, stranger things have happened!...
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    Quote by Gunny Hartmann View Post
    It's an interesting theory though, stranger things have happened!...
    ...all is factually correct apart from anyone finding documents linking a definite plan by Stalin to ensure Churchill was elected by the Labour MPs although they did ensure he was made PM rather than Lord Hamilton. Guess who Rudolf Hess wanted to see when he dropped in to Scotland on his peace mission...our man Lord James Douglas-Hamilton....of course

    No wonder Stalin was paranoid about Britain possibly cutting a deal at some point with Germany to fight against the USSR.
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    Quote by 4thskorpion View Post
    ...all is factually correct apart from anyone finding documents linking a definite plan by Stalin to ensure Churchill was elected by the Labour MPs although they did ensure he was made PM rather than Lord Hamilton. Guess who Rudolf Hess wanted to see when he dropped in to Scotland on his peace mission...our man Lord James Douglas-Hamilton....of course

    No wonder Stalin was paranoid about Britain possibly cutting a deal at some point with Germany to fight against the USSR.
    Fascinating, it all falls into place!
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    Well worth watching. I caught up with it last night.

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    The role of the White Russian émigrés such as Ana Wolkoff who took with them the wildly antisemitic and fraudulent The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fascinating one especially their influence on the rise of Nazism in Germany through the Aufbau, a far right German-White émigré organisation, see: The Russian Roots of Nazism: White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 1917-1945 (New Studies in European History) by Michael Kellog.
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    A fascinating programme, try not to miss it

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    Quote by Gunny Hartmann View Post
    Fascinating, it all falls into place!
    235 names appear in the Right Club's "Red Book" of members which included the Duke of Hamilton and his wife Lady Douglas-Hamilton.

    Right Club member Stuart Usher and the Usher family had a close friendship with Rudolf Hess deputy, leader of the Nazi party.

    Anna Wolkoff had met with both Hans Frank and Rudolf Hess in the early 1930's and MI5 alerted HMG that Wolkoff had developed a close relationship with Wallis Simpson (who was to marry King Edward VIII) and were concerned that Wolkoff and Simpson were probably involved in passing national secrets to the Nazi German government.
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