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04-15-2010 05:54 PM
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
I don't think there is anything wrong with the buckles. Both original in my opinion. Just more wear to the first one....common given these were worn very often by their young owners.
Both are good.
Cheers!
Rob
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Adam
I agree with Rob insofar as both the HJ buckles that you have shown, appear to be quite original. You make mention to the first buckle being steel, although both are clearly die stamped aluminium. I wonder and with all due respect Adam, if the first image has been posted in error? Perhaps there is a steel HJ buckle that we should be considering !
Anyway, any day to day use aluminium buckle will quickly wear and especially on the high points. The HJ is certainly no exception and original examples are of course found with varying degrees of wear. This is and in my opinion, not the way to spot the fake aluminium HJ's.
Another very interesting feature is that the different manufacturers of the HJ buckle, each had their own design of eagle. The difference to the eagle designs varying from the obvious to the sublime, although this is a discussion topic in itself.
I have attached a detail image of a genuinely non issued and mint HJ to again show the "extremes of condition and wear".
Regards,
David
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Wow the mint unissued buckle is very striking.
Would daily polishing of the buckles have caused wear?
Nick
"In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Hi Nick, daily or even weekly polishing would certainly have helped wear down the fine details. Metal polish at the time, and even today, is mildly abrasive. But most of the wear would be due to day to day wear and the soft nature of the alloy used.
Cheers, Ade.
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Nick
In theory, the die stamped aluminium buckles are a minimal maintenance type and some of course were issued complete with a factory applied silver or silver grey lacquer. Those aluminium buckles which had a plain box as opposed to a pebbled surface, had sometimes a mirror finish (see attached) which perhaps some HJ members were keen to maintain - by enthusiastic polishing.
By the way, it would have been unthinkable for an SA-Mann to wear his brass buckle (other than those premium price buckles with a minimal maintenance fire gilt finish), unless highly polished.
Regards,
David
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Thanks Ade/David
Interesting stuff
Nick
"In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
I think David makes a very valid point. The mind set of the average person growing up in the 1920's/30's/40's was very different to that of today. Polishing and a good turnout, even if you were poor, was instilled almost from birth.
Cheers, Ade.
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Ade
I agree !
However I polish my shoes every day
Nick
"In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem
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Re: Hitler Youth Buckle Comparison of Original to Possible Fake
Being an ex squaddie I would expect no less
Cheers, Ade.
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