HJ buckle - RZM 119

[Wewelsburg]

Hello friends! I have this HJ on the way to me and today I talked about it with colleagues in Russia.
They have some serious doubts about it because the maker mark. As we can see, the two last digits is added later than the first "1". So it probably begun its life as RZM 1. But it sure must be from same die?
It is hard to understand because I use Google Translate on their forum.

So, are the numbers added by the company or someone else? I found this on HJ-research:
https://www.hj-research.com/forum/f8...markings-8769/

1. RZM 1 = M1/1 which is Kallenbach Meyer & Franke
2. RZM 3 = M1/3 which is Max Kremhelmer , so this leads me to believe that Kallenbach mis marked this buckle. This buckle should have been marked RZM KH 3 (RZM KH 3 = M4/3 Kallenbach Meyer & Franke)
3. RZM 119 = M1/119 Georg Bonitz, so this leads me to believe Kallenbach mis marked this buckle as well. The marking should have been RZM UE 119 (RZM UE 119 = M5/119 Kallenbach Meyer & Franke)
4. RZM M4/3 = Kallenbach Meyer & Franke

So what are your opinions? Fake digits or did the maker add the numbers?
Thank you for your time!

[Wewelsburg]

And a thread on WAF
3 different maker marked buckles 1 maker!! - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

[Ben Evans]

Kenny, I think the buckle is a very nice and early HJ buckle. RZM 119 is the maker mark for Georg Bonitz, Schwarzenberg, no a typical buckle maker. However in these early days concerns bought buckles from other factories and stamped them with their own marking to fulfil a criteria to win a RZM contract.I am not saying that I can prove that but most of the time with these type of buckles that has what happened

[weller]

A great looking HJ buckle! Super addition to your collection. The WAF and other thread seem to explain it all well. I would add that buckle to my collection any day without hesitation

[ivanjoaquin]

Scarce and nice buckle, I have a RZM 3 buckle and as Chad Williams shows in his WAF thread it is identical to yours

[Wewelsburg]

Thank you gentlemen, I was worried for a while...

[yellow12]

Hello,

interest to see this very nice HJ buckle !

IMO the maker is Meyer&Franke Luckenwalde > RZM 1 and RZM 119 .

I think RZM 119 is a marking error from this maker , because in the M5 list Meyer & Franke hold also the 119 .......

I hold to identical SA buckles one marked RZM 1 and the other RZM 119 .......:

[Wewelsburg]

Very nice buckles Markus, thank you for showing! And notice the last two digits in "119"

Wonderful condition on your RZM 119!

[Ben Evans]

Hello,

interest to see this very nice HJ buckle !

IMO the maker is Meyer&Franke Luckenwalde > RZM 1 and RZM 119 .

I think RZM 119 is a marking error from this maker , because in the M5 list Meyer & Franke hold also the 119 .......

I hold to identical SA buckles one marked RZM 1 and the other RZM 119 .......:

Do you not think these buckles were originally issued by Overhoff Markus? Overhoff eagles and early Overhoff prongs on these

[Wewelsburg]

The eagle has landed

Thank you for all help