M4/22 youth buckle in gold?

[NcPaint]

This is another item given to me by my grandfather. After some searching around i've found similar items just not in the gold finish. It seems to be in good shape, i didnt know if the others that i've seen were just tarnished or the finish has worn off? Is this the same or different from the silver/steel/nickel ones around?

[John Brandon]

M4/22 is for Christian Theodor Dicke

However, i think this is one of the Eastern European fakes that is causing a few headaches, but I'll wait on judgement until others comment

[NcPaint]

Thanks John, how do you spot a fake on these? It did come from my grandfather along with alot of things he brought back. BUT to be in this good of condition, and not finding any others like it made me want to find out more. Either its something very rare, or fake.

[John Brandon]

I'm not saying that it is a fake, BUT HJ leaders buckles are faked heavily. And this one looks like one that has been discussed recently elsewhere

If you look at the RZM stamping its too sloppy, also the prongs. Is it magnetic?

[NcPaint]

Not magnetic no?

[Dimas]

That is a rare buckle if original. I'am not a such buckle expert, but I know something in collecting world, as with my practice feelings I feel this is a good one, even I don't like the RZM code stamped on it, but I like what I see. Let's wait opinions from serious buckle and NSDAP specialists

[j dubbel]

wasnt the m4 a aluminium stamp

i dont like the rzm seems to be done by a dremel after the war

[j dubbel]

take a look at this one
maybe you can compare it whit yours

exept the rzm mark whitch is lower and nicer

hope this helps

[John Brandon]

That is a rare buckle if original. I'am not a such buckle expert, but I know something in collecting world, as with my practice feelings I feel this is a good one, even I don't like the RZM code stamped on it, but I like what I see. Let's wait opinions from serious buckle and NSDAP specialists

dimas, that is exactly why i am non committal. I hope that it is real. But I have doubts. There are a couple of other things that I am not happy about, but I don't wish to discuss them yet

[NcPaint]

Any other photos/angles/closeups that could help?