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RZM 33----- the mystery

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    Hello guys,
    So lets all pull together and as a collective group try to figure out a mystery.
    WHO IS RZM 33????????????????????
    To the best of my knowledge it is not listed on any RZM list that we have access to. It is a real mystery as I have both a marked HJ and a marked DJ from this mystery maker.
    We need to think outside of the box here. The typical material which has been republished in collector books ext isn't going to give us this information. We need to dig deep and figure out maybe who has RZM rolls or RZM mittelungblatts from the early years that may not be into buckles. Somewhere somehow I feel like the answer is out there, printed on an original document waiting to be discovered!
    please help!!!
    I am out of town and will post both the RZM 33 HJ and DJ on Sunday night
    thanks
    Chad

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    I look forward to your posting the detail.

    Have you checked an original copy of the "Handbuch der RZM der NSDAP"? I know an edition was published in 1935; a massive early reference tool.

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    You mean the later M1 number? As the M4 and M5 are known numbers!

    For me the number already was withdrawn before the publishing of the
    RZM handbook, as well as the first RZM publications in 1934. If I can
    find the time I will check. The withdrawing of numbers was not always
    published as it should have been done! They were not consequent!
    Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 05-17-2015 at 09:33 AM.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    I did check all of the issues from the Mitteilungsblatt der RZM from
    1934 and 1935, which was a lot of work, due to the many numbers from
    manufacturers and dealer's quoted there.

    The missing M1 number was in none of them mentioned and so the number
    must have been withdrawn before the preparation for the RZM Handbuch
    or even before the publishing of the first issue from the magazine.
    If numbers were withdrawn during the preparation they may have been
    included in an issue. Anyway, some buckle manufacturer's included in the
    known 1935 handbook-list, already were withdrawn actually shortly after
    its publishing!!

    It will be a coincedence when the name for the number will be found!
    Old correspondence from the RZM or a 1933 or so advertisement is the only
    source where this eventually will be mentioned, but I would not know any
    person who owns such stuff!


    PS:
    This Sunday-afternoon I have checked a few hundred manufacturers
    advertisements from 1933 and 1934. No advertisement did lead me to a
    number 33. Sorry, no result
    .
    Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 05-17-2015 at 04:09 PM.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Wilhelm,
    thank you very much for taking the time to look up that information! it is very kind of you. I really want to know who this is, it drive me crazy! Maybe some day someone will post an advert like you have suggested and the mystery will be solved!
    Thank you again for you r hard work Wilhelm, it is much appreciated

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    Wow, those are awesome buckles Chad!

    Jeff

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    Excellent buckle, good luck Chad in search of the manufacturer.

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    Why can't RZM 33 not be a J.D. von Hagen G.m.b.H. product (M4)?
    Are there indications to say it can't? Just a wild guess of mine!

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    Don't get crazy about this Chad. The world is full of crazy people!!
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Quote by Wilhelm Saris View Post
    Why can't RZM 33 not be a J.D. von Hagen G.m.b.H. product (M4)?
    Are there indications to say it can't? Just a wild guess of mine!

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    Don't get crazy about this Chad. The world is full of crazy people!!
    Wim

    To be honest it could be here is a Turnerbund buckle made by Von Hagen, look at the ears in comparison to Chads RZM 33 buckles Also below buckles compared together
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    Ben

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