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Help! Luftwaffenhelfer dress, rank(?)

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    Default Help! Luftwaffenhelfer dress, rank(?)

    Hi all.

    I'm also trying to get information on my grand father (rank?, branch, dress items etc).

    I appreciate it's difficult to say much from pictures but I'm still learning so I'm glad of any help.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is what I've gathered so far. The breast eagle is that of a luftwaffenhelfer (which should be blue in colour). The district triangle looks to be Nord Niedersachsen, in white rather than gold? (I'm not sure of the significance of this)
    I think it is early or pre war? I'm not sure of any details on the cloth and shoulder boards, DJ rather than HJ?
    I'm not sure what cap he's wearing in the second pic, HJ or luftwaffer



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    Second photo looks like a standard issue LW field cap in grey wool with a white Drillich or work uniform. NH

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    The photos are both wartime. Neil is correct.

    The HJ flak helpers were a wartime invention.

    The tunic worn in the first photo is the special one worn by them.

    Cheers, Ade.
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    triangle is black/yellow (male); white is for girls/females.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    No rank visible in photo two. I think we can assume that photo two shows your relative at the lowest rank of Kanonier. If he was a rank or two above you would see a chevron on the left arm. NH

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    Quote by Neil Hever View Post
    No rank visible in photo two. I think we can assume that photo two shows your relative at the lowest rank of Kanonier. If he was a rank or two above you would see a chevron on the left arm. NH
    HJ Flak auxiliaries didn't hold soldiers' ranks, nor did they wear soldiers' rank insignia.

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    HJ Flak auxiliaries didn't hold soldiers' ranks, nor did they wear soldiers' rank insignia.
    But there was a system of rank. According to the magazine "Deutsche Uniformen-Zeitschrift" from June 20, 1943 were
    described and mentioned: Dienstgradabzeichen for Mannschaftsführer one aluminum star upon both shoulder-straps;
    Luftwaffenoberhelfer a braid with a 0.5 cm width over both shoulder-straps.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    HJ Flak auxiliaries didn't hold soldiers' ranks, nor did they wear soldiers' rank insignia.
    But it looks like he may have been drafted into the Luftwaffe in the second photo. It looks like a progression from Helfer to conscript into the Luftwaffe proper. I may be wrong but that is how it appears to me. Did Flak auxiliary personnel use standard LW caps? NH

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    Flakhelfer did anyway! The visored field cap and regular field cap, both
    with Luftwaffe insignia.

    Here two from my HJ-handbook.

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    With the second photo, an Oberhelfer, just a bit of the triangle is shown.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Quote by Wilhelm Saris View Post
    Flakhelfer did anyway! The visored field cap and regular field cap, both
    with Luftwaffe insignia.
    Sure enough. Plenty of photographic evidence out there apparently showing a mix of HJ uniforms, LW uniforms and a mix of side caps, M43 caps and steel helmets in use by Flakhelfer personnel. Just googled images and there are tons. So the second photo is still likely to be of the subject as a Flakhelfer. NH

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