Hitler Youth knife question

[fallingskies]

Is this a repo or original?





Any other info is appreciated!

[fallingskies]

The maker mark says

Othello
Solingen
Germany

[GIZMO8Z]

I am far from an expert, but this one does not sit right with me. I believe the HJ diamond should have a fish scale or strawberry bumpy pattern to the red enamel.

Compare to mine:

[fallingskies]

The later ones 1940-1942 had the diamonds like this. I'm more concerned about the maker mark and the missing RZM stamp.

[Sir Payne]

The untextured diamond and the English text "Germany" are bad signs. Still that doesn't necessarily mean the dagger is bad. I would recommend posting a picture of the whole knife so the HJ guys can give you a better opinion. I've never heard of the smooth diamond being late war?

[GIZMO8Z]

The later ones 1940-1942 had the diamonds like this. I'm more concerned about the maker mark and the missing RZM stamp.

With all due respect, that's incorrect.

Check this out: https://www.lakesidetrader.com/Educa...lut-und-Ehre!/

I believe this is a post-war boy scout knife that was made to the same dimensions as TR era HJ knives. Someone added the bogus HJ diamond to fool potential buyers.

Building off of this, HJ diamonds are never any color but red.

[fallingskies]

It says they were in this thread....

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/dagge...1942-a-263158/

[GIZMO8Z]

With all due respect to Mac, these aren't exactly words I'd be willing to put money down on.

Seldom Seen, Some Collectors Dont Like Them But I & Many Other Old Timers Do, Long Story, Lol

I'll go with Paul at Lakeside on this one...

[Larry C]

This is a recent repro with a possible real diamond. The knife itself is a 1960s or 70s make,,and should not spell in English.."Germany. The G.C.Co 420 logo on the opposite side of the ricasso is a widely used company in reproducing these knives. i have one of these myself which makes a great camping tool.
To support also the information listed on Pauls website if you scroll down a bit further the good and the bad are listed. Regardless of the diamond,, this dagger is recent, below is the "good and bad" Regards Larry

GOOD:

Honest even wear
Magnetic scabbard with rivet to the front
Cotton liner covers
Loose HJ diamonds
Fish scale red enamel
Flecked gold swastika background

BAD

RZM designation on the obverse, (normally found to reverse) riccasso
Casting seams on the hilt
Poorly fit grip plates
New smelling leather
Alloy non-magnetic scabbards
Minty factory fresh
Banged up poorly formed rivets
"Germany" anywhere on the knife or scabbard
Motto with no makers name
Motto with RZM Blades dated 1939 and later
Solid red on the diamonds

[Hagen]

and the English text "Germany"

Is all you need to see to know this is not a genuine HJ dagger.