Hitler Youth Leader dagger RZM M7/36 with gold finish real or fake?

**K3PIO** · 06-17-2017, 05:13 PM

I have attached images of Hitler Youth Leader dagger RZM M7/36. Wondering if anyone know if this is real or fake? Seems to have a gold finish and does not seem authentic to me

Hitler Youth Leader dagger RZM M7/36 with gold finish real or fake?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 06-17-2017 05:13 PM

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**Larry C** · 06-17-2017, 05:49 PM

Better photo please of the upper scabbard fitting would help. Some of the other details are not promising.

Regards Larry

**K3PIO** · 06-17-2017, 06:22 PM

Thanks Larry, I am going to ask the seller for more details. But the fact that you say its not promising has me doubting anyway :-). But has anyone come across a gold finish?

**K3PIO** · 06-23-2017, 02:50 AM

Hi Larry,

The guy says that he's got the Czerny European auction house certificate of authenticity. has anyone heard of this and how reputable and genuine are they?

Thanks

**MAP** · 06-23-2017, 03:01 AM

I don't know this auction house so don't know their reputation but generally a COA is as we like to say, worth the paper it is written on. That is, buy the item. COA's are notoriously hard to use as support and the wording of COA's are generally very loosely written even if it "guarantees the originality" of the item. If the broader collecting community deems an item fake the issuer can always counter and say that they still deem the item to be original. That leaves you with a legal battle that will probably cost more than the item...

**Rossi** · 06-23-2017, 04:02 AM

Not a fan of the diamond rune on the top of pommel. Swastika seems thinned out compared to original pieces I have seen. Also not a fan of the more bulbous nature of the wire thread wrapped golden hilt. The one in picture below is much more uniform hilt in its shape. See if the seller can provide better photos of the adler on scabbard throat like Larry suggested. I am not sure of the gold plating as well. Overall this one has more red flags than green ones to me. I would think they would have taken been pictures and more pictures of the daggers key components. Would want more up close pictures of everything. I may be over analyzing this one. I have always been skeptical of the Hitler Youth Leader in General as they are knocked off a lot as well.