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Late 1938 HJ Fahrtenmesser with Motto but no maker :)

Article about: This HJ dagger has all the signs of a late RZM ricasso knife. The knife has a zinc based alloy grip. It has the larger RZM diamond. The scabbard has 2 springs, all the knife is screaming LAT

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    Default Re: Late 1938 HJ Fahrtenmesser with Motto but no maker :)

    Well done Gerrit!!.....research pays off
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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    Nice job Gerrit
    But, IMO the E&F Horster maker mark you showed,its well known fake.
    Horster used different TM.

    Regards

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    Hi Stingray,

    Its the correct hj knife logo with the typical ges. Geschutz frase as far as i can see,
    Its the logo of the backside of the knife in the R. Siegert npea & hj book.
    I cant see anything being wrong with it.

    Regards,
    Ger

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    Here is the Horster MM they used: My new HJ knife by Horster - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums.

    Regards

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    Hi Sting,

    i looked again in R.Siegerts book and he only placed the logo in the right corner, and didnt showed the back of the knife.
    So unfortunate that cant be linked to the knife 100%.
    Thanks for the links, and I think you right about the logo.

    Regards,
    Ger

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    Very interesting indeed.
    This shows exactly how much faith one possesses to buy it!
    Peronally, I would have stayed away from this one:
    - Early motto (very deep) on a ricassoed blade (without maker or RZM)
    - Late (very aged) hilt
    - Late grips with a diamond that pretty much follows the checker pattern
    - Scabbard doesn't really matter

    But other things do suggest originality
    - Rivets have not been messed with
    - Personalized grip plate
    - The trouble to fake this knife wouldn't be worth the price

    Maybe future research will prove this knife to be 100% original (toch heb ik mijn twijfels).
    Either way, it's a very interesting piece!!

    Jerry

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    hallo,

    interesting thread.
    imo a eickhorn hj knife.
    the etching of Hörster is slightly different Click image for larger version. 

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    the scabbard is also typical eickhorn

    maxxx

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    Great thread Gents ...another reason why from an early mention that I would like to see a thread started on " HJ Knife Motto Variants "

    Anyone care to take the title and run with it?... I know we have the many well qualified and also sharpened eyes in general..who could also add to it. Regards Larry
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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