Become our sponsor and display your banner here
Results 1 to 9 of 9

M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

Article about: Here’s a private purchase M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with it's original storage box. It has according the regulations a black chinstrap with one buckle. The strap is attached wit

  1. #1
    ?

    Default M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Here’s a private purchase M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with it's original storage box. It has according the regulations a black chinstrap with one buckle. The strap is attached with two black buttons.
    The red band is covered by a camouflageband, which is held in place by two small hooks.
    The strange thing about this visor cap is that the top is made of silk, which is not that often encountered.
    This makes me think of the so called Reitmütze that was sometimes used by officers, but I’m not sure if NCO’s and enlisted men were allowed to do so.
    Maybe someone of the specialists can enlighten me, because I don’t know that much about visor caps…

    Adler 1
    Click to enlarge the picture Click to enlarge the picture Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  09.jpg 
Views:	143 
Size:	123.0 KB 
ID:	421189   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern 01.jpg 
Views:	229 
Size:	212.2 KB 
ID:	421190  

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern 02.jpg 
Views:	349 
Size:	215.8 KB 
ID:	421191   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  03.jpg 
Views:	169 
Size:	217.8 KB 
ID:	421192  

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  04.jpg 
Views:	747 
Size:	223.3 KB 
ID:	421193   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  05.jpg 
Views:	174 
Size:	224.8 KB 
ID:	421194  

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  06.jpg 
Views:	201 
Size:	219.4 KB 
ID:	421195   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  07.jpg 
Views:	151 
Size:	231.3 KB 
ID:	421196  

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	M1907 10 Kepie Bayern  08.jpg 
Views:	141 
Size:	218.9 KB 
ID:	421197  
    Attached Images Attached Images  

  2. #2
    ?

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Most of the photos I have seen of von Richthofen and his men are that they are wearing silk-topped Schirmutzen. Whether it's rare for it to be the same for Bavarians I don't know, but certainly most of JG1 wore them, leading me to say they're not that uncommon.
    Owning a repro stock Schirmutz, from Morigi Regalia, they are rigid as a board and impossible for the sides to "flop down" as on yours, so most of the JG1 photos I've seen have them in silk-topped Schirmutzen.

    Case in point - silk-topped (left) on MvR, stock (right) on Lothar.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	1917_06_mit_lothar.jpg 
Views:	1313 
Size:	93.7 KB 
ID:	421212

  3. #3
    ?

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    It was indeed rather common amonst Pilots, which are normally Officers. This Schirmmütze is enlisted man... That's a big difference imo...
    Then there's also a big difference between a so called "crusher", which is a cap that can be rolled up and put somewhere in a small place. These crushers don't have a silk top but they do have thin plyable leather visors instead of cardboard, reïnforced immitation leather or fiber... The cap I show here is for enlisted men, with reïnforced immitation leather visor (as hard as a skateboard). Not a "crusher"...

    Adler

  4. #4

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Hi Adler

    nice cap !

    is the cap band under the masking band red ?

    cheers

    tony

  5. #5

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    If it is an infantry cap then the use of materials for the crown was upto the purchaser as all these caps for NCO's and officers were private purchase.
    Strictly speaking the other ranks were not allowed to wear them but often did.

    They did not become standard issue of kit till 1919.

    The kokardes are mixed, other ranks/nco national emblem on the crown and the saxon cockade is the officers version.

    Nice and correct chinstrap. The racing silk cap was a common version used pre ww1 for race meetings and competitions when uniform was required to be worn.

    The cool looking cap was much favoured by the pilots who of course had all been horsemen pre war. The pilots version would have had a black cap band in velvet.

    This one is a very nice private purchase cap with masking band introduced in 1915 helping us identify it as a war time worn cap (maybe). I reckon it may be an officers cap.

    hope this helps

    cheers

    tony

  6. #6
    ?

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Hi Tony,
    Yes the band under the masking band is red.
    I think you need some glasses... The Kokarden aren't mixed at all and it's certainly not Saxon (Saxon have green ring, Bavarian have blue ring as this one does). It's a private purchase EM/NCO cap and this means standard EM national Kokarde on top and private purchase EM/NCO state Kokarde at bottom, which is also on this cap.
    Have a look at Tony Schnurr's site: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ht/kokarden.htm
    I think that's pretty much the same Kokarde... I hope you see the difference between the officers an private purchase models...

    Adler

  7. #7

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Hi

    Got my glasses on now. Typo on the state cockade ! Blue it is and this of course makes it the private purchase cockade. Got Saxon on the brain today for some reason !

    More than happy that it is an NCO's and why not have a silk top ?

    Problem with multi tasking when I wrote my initial reply..........always leads to a **** up !

    cheers

    specky Tony

  8. #8
    ?

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Buddy the things that you show sure give me a hard case of the "I wants".
    That is a knock out cap.

  9. #9
    ?

    Default Re: M1907/10 Bavarian Infantry Schirmmütze with silk top

    Thank you very much gentlemen!

    Adler

Similar Threads

  1. 05-21-2012, 08:08 AM
  2. 09-28-2011, 10:47 AM
  3. Royal Bavarian Infantry Regiment 3 (Prince Karl) tunic

    In Imperial Germany and Austro-Hungary
    01-19-2011, 04:47 PM
  4. 6th Bavarian Infantry Division information

    In Imperial Germany and Austro-Hungary
    11-17-2010, 12:40 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •