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2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!

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    I NEED HELP, PLEASE! I have a pair of Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse that have a set of maker marks that I need identified by someone experienced. I had posted the one on the parade mount and was told it was "Z" for Zeich of Berlin. Now I've just acquired another Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse with a "Z" or an "N"? Which is which?? I'm thinking the parade mount is an "N" now instead of "Z" and the new EK2 is actually a "Z". Looking for some experienced opinions.
    2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!
    2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!

    2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!
    2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!

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    First one is Z second one N ;-)
    Mfg
    Marc

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    I would say that both could be either Z or N.
    gregM
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    Marc,
    That doesn't make sense when compared with the way this S-W is marked along the ring instead of across it, as would be the case if the first is Z and the second N. Do you have a reference?
    All the Imperial cross markers marks go with the ring that I've seen. I've only seen Third Reich EKs, with number maker marks, go across the ring.
    2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!
    2 Imperial 1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, MAKER MARK CONFUSION!! HELP!!!!
    Last edited by Danny Warlick; 06-04-2015 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote by Danny Warlick View Post
    Marc,

    All the Imperial cross markers marks go with the ring.
    That is incorrect.
    Also, it would be near impossible to mark S-W across the ring, not so with a single letter.
    Ralph.
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    What are the measurments in mm? The trifold ribbon almost strikes me as a Prinzen EKII. But would need exact measurement to be sure.

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    Personally, I've always thought it was as I stated, and reference in Frank Wernitz book (page 222 and 223) supports the theory :-)
    BTW it would be a very wide Z and a very wide N , if it should be the other way around ! And many other makers marked their crosses that way, Godet, Hofstätter and Kluge just to mention a few !
    That's what I think ;-)
    Mfg
    Marc

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    How about this one---
    Makers mark "M" can be seen at the very top of the pic.
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    gregM
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    Marc,
    would it be asking too much to post a picture of those two pages from that book for my reference? I hope it didn't appear that I doubted your opinion or experience, it just went against what I thought I knew.
    I really would appreciate a few pictures of the information for reference.

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    Hi Danny,
    Not at all :-) here is one


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