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    Since it is not my field, I'd like a little help in ID'ing this cocade which I believe is from before WW2. Thanks
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    Regards

    Matt

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    man that is one fugly piece of insignia,,,i would bet it is a copy for theatrical/film usage

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    Are you kidding right? It doesn't look a copy at all and it was found on a WW1/ww2 site together with other artifacts.
    Regards

    Matt

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    hi Matt,,,i have never seen this piece of insignia illustrated in any book,anywhere,any time,,,how would it be affixed to anything?,,,,where are the pins,etc,?..i have also never seen a cap wreath of any type produced in a solid configuration,,,i may be wrong,,,but i cant see these produced in any fashion except being stamped construction which would be quicker and cheaper to produce...

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    Hi there, there were 2 prongs but they are gone. It is not unusual to find insignia with the reverse full, but I have no reference for insignias before the '30's. The national colours appear to be white and red on the cocade.
    Regards

    Matt

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    Gentlemen, I believe this is an original period piece, however from what period is a mystery to me....I have searched my "Imperial" books and referencees for such a badge, but have failed to discover. I personally feel that it is not a military piece from the Imperial era, it could indeed be civilian, Police/Fire/Postal, I lean towards 1919-1923 period as to the design, a Weimar type piece, but still bearing State colours of the earlier peroid, a transitional piece ?, possibly of either "Baden" , "Waldeck-Pyrmont" or "Wurttemburg" as these states featured a colour combination featuring a "Red" inner band of colour, if the outer colour is definatly White, then the State of "Schaumburg-Lippe" white/red/black, is a good candidate ! As a footnote, the first national German cockade, the short lived "Deutsche-Kokarde" of 1848-1851, was gold/red/black as in the Wiemar and BRD eras !
    Hope this has helped and not confused the issue !
    Prost ! Steve.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Hello Steve,
    thanks for your input! I somehow lean also to date it in the late 20's and probably you're right, it could be for some veteran or civilian association. If it could be a further hint, I feel it may be associated to the Hamburg area.
    The cocade shape and style is very familiar but I cannot ID it ...
    Regards

    Matt

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