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Another fake 1870Ek on ebay

Article about: Last time I pointed out the "Muffin Crown" fake. Today while surfing ebay, I came across another one that fools a lot of unsuspecting people. This one is the "Deschler" f

  1. #11

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    I think this one is the closest I've come on an ebay item, but still not convinced enough to please a bid :-/

    What's your oppinion ? ( it's long gone, so no worries)


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  2. #12

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    Interesting piece Marc,
    It is fake. A true Frankenstein cross made up
    of different bits.

    My guess is that someone took apart a "Jubilee" era
    1870 (made post 1895)
    and then turned it into a 1st class cross. That might
    explain the hardware used on the back. Made to look
    repaired but in fact just made up. I can say that it
    is not a Wagner. The core details are all wrong and I do
    not like the Wagner marks on the back.

    Any time you see a Wagner marked 1870, warning bells
    should go off. A true Wagner marked cross would be
    the hallmark of any collection and the fakers know that.
    In all the years I've been doing this, I think I may have
    only seen 1 or maybe 2 originals ever posted. But fakes
    abound.

    Thanks for posting it.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

  3. #13

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    Amazing what people go trough, to make money !
    I thought the stamp looked funny , right text but wrong stamp ! And also the mysterious "repaired" mechanic :-/

    Mfg
    Marc
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    And how about this one ........???



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    Could it be the same "maker" ?? ;-/

    Mfg
    Marc
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    I surf eBay every once in and a while. I'm glad this forum exists or I'd probably be spending some hard earned money on a lot of fakes.
    Best regards

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    It's hard to tell from the horrible pictures about
    the details but the hooks are wrong.
    gregM
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    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Yes, I know, but it was just another eBay example, that to me looked like the same stamp on the back ! Sorry, not my pics :-/. But maybe part of the sales tactic ;-)

    Mfg
    Marc
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    Someday I hope to find a Wagner marked ek1.
    (wouldn't we all ) but in all honesty, I would settle for most
    any authentic 1870 1st class.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Me too ;-)

    Mfg
    Marc
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    And another one I guess ........!

    Hooks and stamp looks bad to me.


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