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Any tips for purchasing a ww1 "butcher" bayonet?

Article about: Ah I see. I have failed at attempting to win the desired re-issued one, but there is a nice Anker-werke Bielefeld by the same seller. I will try to get this pup

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    The frog is certainly from WW2 - the S98/05 was still in use by Police troops.

    Can't see anything distinctive on the bayonet to indicate police use - there are a number of pointers which show post WW1 use such as blueing, slotting of the grip bolts and push stud and application police property stamps.

    JKH - the frog maker is Carl Busse, Fabrik fur Heeresausrustungen aus Stoff und Leder, Mainz.
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    Oh that's interesting. Unfortunately we did not meet the reserve price for it, but I did manage to find an interesting saw back, but no maker name on it. here are some pictures Attachment 363584Attachment 363585Attachment 363586Attachment 363587

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    Julekpl, the one you've just posted is only in fair to good condition.
    It is very worn and the wood is dark and possibly no scabbard.
    Sould be worth around $100 - although it is a sawback.........
    Regards,


    Steve.

  4. #14

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    That's what I thought, but no maker name? and the date is clearly worn as well... That will certainly reduce the value....

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    I'd save my money and wait for a better example.
    They are not that hard to find.........
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    I think I'll wait a bit. Thank you all for the help!

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    The information about the "jkh 44" being a WWII frog is very enlightening.

    What would I look for to find an authentic WWI frog?

    If the bayonet is marked Erfurt on the recasso, would the frog also be marked Erfurt?

    thanks,
    Richard

  8. #18

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    Not necessarily, although it might have been possible. These components
    were produced by many different companies throughout Germany in both
    wars, and there was no 'matching-up' of any makers pieces ( except for
    bayonets and their scabbards which were originally issued as a
    matching serial numbered set )

    An authentic WWI frog generally has a slimmer shape at the waist
    - a slightly different design and stitching than the WWII types.
    I would think the majority are also maker marked
    and dated.........
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    Would the ww1 frogs have any imperial markings? Like a crown?

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    I don't believe so, because they are not weapons or ordnance which usually
    have acceptance or ownership stamps - however, as an example, Swiss
    and Danish leather items each carry symbols of authority on them
    in the form of the Geneva Cross and Royal Crown emblems,
    so I suppose it's possible.

    Something similar that comes to mind are German belt tabs which have
    makers names - usually in an oval cartouche with the date of
    manufacture - but nothing else.........
    Regards,


    Steve.

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