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Cargo Submarine U-Deutschland Artifacts and Model

Article about: Steve: Thanks for the follow-up on Mont Alto. It looks like Prusse was probably the engineer superintendent of construction on both the Deutschland and the Bremen. His official designation i

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    Exclamation New DEUTSCHLAND Image Perhaps!

    Can someone help capture the grouped image of three converted to wartime service U-DEUTSCHLAND class submarines I've recently re-discovered at:">" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="344"> and post the image here for the rest of us to view? The segment frames you will be looking for are between 34:12 and 34:18

    If that doesn't work just go here: and search the segments between frames 34:12 and 34:18


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    Also we may wish to check out a closer snippet of these three submarines between frames 36:11 and 36:22

    Should we have a few of our researchers, here at this board, wishing to investigate/review the film holdings of other available U-DEUTSCHLAND and maybe even U-BREMEN footage, they may wish to consult the repositories listed in the credits beginning at segment 47:19

    Good Hunting!

  3. #933


    In search of tug remains - .... The GEORGE H. ALLEN, Jr.* 201955. Wooden single screw tug was built 1904 at Athens, NY, (perhaps by W. O. Ford?). 85.6 x 20.6 x 9.7; 99 gt, 67 nt; compound steam engine, 15-30 x 26, 344-ihp.

    Later, in turn, she was renamed the THOMAS F. TIMMINS and sold to the Eastern Forwarding Company in early 1916.

    In August of 1916, after seeing the U-DEUTSCHLAND on her return trans-Atlantic voyage, she took on the name HANSA. Sometime later the HANSA became the HOPEWELL, and finally the HILTON...

    HILTON (or HOPEWELL) was said to be owned by Eastern Transportation Co. in the '30s, and eventually found her way to the Hilton Towing & Marine Co. Brooklyn, NY, during the 1940s.

    HILTON is listed as "dismantled" in 1955, but with a wooden hull, was she really fully dismantled or simply stripped of all useful items than then beached?.

    Was she unceremoniously discarded at Witte's at Staten Island in lower New York Harbor...

    Jeffrey Schurr has said that, "At some point a whole bunch of wooden hulled tugs were taken out of Wittes and beached south of Sharrott's Road....where their festering remains can be seen at low water even today."

    Many here have never heard of the Hilton Towing & Marine Co. of Brooklyn, NY. But some may recognize the tug name(s) or the company and still others may know of source leads that could produce more data or a couple of old images waiting to be rediscovered.

    Thanks go both to Jeffrey Schurr and William Lafferty for contributing the information above.

  4. #934

    Exclamation More Report'g on the U-BREMEN

    Rio De Janeiro, July 11. -- State chancellor has been officially informed that the sister ship to super-submarine Deutschland is now crossing the Atlantic and will arrive here within ten days, newspaper "Roa" declared today.

    Source: The Day Book, An Adless Newspaper, Daily Except Sunday. (Chicago, Ill.), Tuesday, July 11, 1916, Vol. 5, No. 242, LAST EDITION


    Germans Also Admit Renting a Pier at New London.

    NORFOLK, Va., Aug. 21. -- Captain [Zack] Cullison of the Tug Hansa, formerly the Thomas R. Timmins, said today that it was true that the Eastern Forwarding Company, to which the cargo of the German merchantman Deutschland was assigned, had leased a pier at New London, Conn. Previous reports that such a step had been taken in anticipation of the arrival there of the Bremen, sister ship of the Deutschland, have been denied.

    It was reported in German circles here today that the Hansa, which convoyed the Deutschland into American waters, would go to New London before the end of the month and that much of the movable property of the Eastern Forwarding Company would be taken there from Baltimore. According to this story, the Bremen left a German port Aug. 14.

    Source: New York papers August 22nd 1916.

    Bremen dispatches carried statement that submarine Bremen, sister ship of Deutschland, only left for America a few days ago.

    Boston, Aug. 24. Simultaneously with announcement of safe return home of Deutschland, North German Lloyd liner Willehad slid out from berth in East Boston and was supposed to be headed for New London, ostensibly to meet Bremen, second German submarine giant.


    Copenhagen, Aug. 24. Submarine Bremen, sister ship of Deutschland, will arrive in America within a few days, said Director [Alfred] Lohmann of the Ocean Co.

    Source: The Day Book, An Ad[-]less Newspaper, Daily Except Sunday. (Chicago, Ill.), Thursday, August 24, 1916, Vol. 5, No. 280, LAST EDITION


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    Howie, I am trying to ID the surroundings in the image of the lady standing with your Grandfather but have drawn a blank.

    Quote by Howie View Post
    I had family members scour their keepsakes to find additional things to share with you. Below are two pictures that are interesting to me, and perhaps to you as well.

    One is a telegram sent to my grandfather in care of the Deutschland from a woman arranging a date to meet him in Baltimore. The second picture is of my grandfather with, whom I assume is the woman. What I find fascinating is that no one in my family has any idea who the woman is, nor did any of us realize that he knew someone in Baltimore when he came here in 1916.

    Do you suppose this image may have actually been captured at New London instead of Baltimore? The buildings, shown rear-right, may offer a clew.

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    I haven't a clue. I assume it is Baltimore only because of the telegram. If it is New London, then I guess my grandfather true sailor with a woman in every port :-)

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    John Henry Gurney was born in South Rondout, New York [pronounced "ron doubt"], November 7, 1874. He was the son of George and Margaret (Hillsinger) Gurney.

    George Gurney was for many years captain of the schooner SARAH JANE, which home-ported at New London. George is now identified with the Ship Engine Company, of New London.

    John Henry, remained in his native place until he was sixteen years of age, when he went to Groton, subsequently removing to New London, where for several years he went as cook on his father's vessel, later being promoted to first mate.

    Young Gurney later secured employment as a deck-hand on one of the tug boats belonging to the T. A. Scott Company, and for eighteen years was captain of the tug THOMAS A. SCOTT.

    In fact, it was while he was thus employed during November of 1916 that he met his tragic death. In the early part of November, 1916, the German submarine DEUTSCHLAND came into the harbor of New London and the officers of the German boat were entertained by the citizens of the city. After a three days' visit, during which time stores were taken on board for consumption, the craft got under way. It was to have followed the tug boat of which Captain Gurney was in command, but instead the submarine took a sudden dive and rammed the tug which immediately sunk with all on board. [In reality, on account of strong shifting tidal currents in the area of the collision, the THOMAS A. SCOTT veered across and into the path of U-DEUTSCHLAND.]

    On April 27, 1896, Captain Gurney was united in marriage with Annie May Malone, and to them were born two children: i. George Maynard, whose birth occurred April 29, 1897; he enlisted in the Medical Corps of the United States army, and was stationed at Fort Monroe; he died May 12, 1915. while in the service. 2. Ralph Henry, who was born September 2, 1900; he is now with the T. A. Scott Company, of New London.

    Captain Gurney was a man of strong domestic instincts, who found his chief happiness in his work and the intimate intercourse of family life and with such of his friends as were on terms of close personal friendship with him.

    Developed from: A modern history of New London County, Connecticut, by Benjamin Tinkham Marshall, New York, Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1922.

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    Here's one for all of you lightning slingers.

    U-DEUTSCHLAND was said to have been fully equipped with radio apparatus, the type of which may have been discussed earlier in this thread. The equipments were installed in a sound-proof room, the set being situated forward of the trimming station.

    Two hollow masts were used, their height being about 43 feet above the deck. The length of antenna wire was about 160 feet. Both masts were hinged and housed in recesses along the starboard side of the hull just outside of the decking.

    The telescoping antenna masts were raised by means of a special motor and drum. We have yet not discovered if a hand crank device was also installed on each mast should the submersible lose electrical power. The forward wireless mast carried a crow's nest for the lookout.

  9. #939

    Default Tidying Up a Few Points

    Corrections are in order....

    Quote by STBaltimore View Post
    Attachment 311505

    The image above, in all likelihood, was taken in the Patapsco River during the morning of July 9, 1916 should read: Monday, July 10th 1916, east of Quarantine Point also called Leading Point on nautical charts Point upstream and on the western shore from today's Francis Scott Key Bridge and just below Baltimore City. It shows the U-DEUTSCHLAND and her attending vessels facing downstream. She appears to have no visible CT-mounted antenna struts. She also doesn't have that rig up in the images showing escorts Thos. F. Timmins and the launch EFCO easing the submarine freighter in between the pier, leased from Collin McLean, and the GEORGE MAY - foot of Andre street on the south side of Whetstone Point, Baltimore.
    The tug to the left (DEUTSCHLAND'S starboard side) showing a black hull and white superstructure is Baltimore City's quarantine service boarding tug, E. CLAY TIMANUS.

  10. #940

    Default simon1965

    Quote by UBremen View Post
    Dwight, you got an email.

    here comes the pic showing the side tubes:

    The aft tube is bad to see, sorry

    What I can say to the post before:
    The napkin ring is not from the Deutschland service, but I think, it is from John Bull.
    I also have a tray (brass) marked with Guaraateed Made from "Deutschland" metal. But the ambossed Sub don't look like the on from John Bull.
    Pics of these trays are following on Saturday (to make you hot ")

    Oh, just reading 'Dwights' catalog of John Bull things I find: No. 27. Serviette Rings, electro-plated, best finish, embossed with figure of vessel.
    So I thing the wonder of the napkin rings is solved

    A picture of the teaspoon, if you like, following on Saturday, too.

    Hi Claas,

    many years ago I was given the telegraph plate from U155 Deutshland and the white ensign run up on her upon capture. These came from a great great aunt who had a sailor living with her family who gave her them as a thank you for their kindness. These are currently on display in a Great War exhibition and are getting a lot of interest.


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