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Help ID Marking on Bayonet

Article about: Hello, Last week I visited an old friend to see his collection. He has a bayonet with a Crown with Banner marking that I have never seen before on an Imperial German Bayonet. The Crown with

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    Hello,

    Last week I visited an old friend to see his collection.

    He has a bayonet with a Crown with Banner marking that I have never seen before on an Imperial German Bayonet.

    The Crown with Banner mark is on the backspine of the bayonet + the throat of the scabbard + the side of the top metal fitting of the scabbard.

    Any info on this mark is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

    Best Regards,

    Alan

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    As always, for context a photo of the entire bayonet would be helpful. The crown that appears on top of the spine marks and scabbard throat band is the State Crown for the the new German Empire established in 1871. In fact this crown was designed in the same year and is believed to have been based on the crown for the Holy Roman Empire. As a heraldic symbol it was used by all the Kaisers, but is less commonly seen on bayonets, in my experience. The other spine marks are Prussian state acceptance mark of Wilhelm II, 1906 and below the inspection fraktur mark from the factory. This also is on the scabbard.

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    Interesting information.
    I have 3 Imperial bayos and have handled many more and have never
    seen the crown/banner mark before.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    German Imperial Navy?

    Imperial german bayonets markings

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    by member Anderson:
    As always, for context a photo of the entire bayonet would be helpful.
    Yes, sorry, I guess that I should have taken a photo of the entire bayonet. As bayonets are not my "thing" in collecting, I forgot.

    by member Chopperman:
    I have 3 Imperial bayos and have handled many more and have never
    seen the crown/banner mark before.
    I have kept only 2-bayonets, and I've seen hundreds over the years, and have never seen this "crowned banner" marking before either. That was the purpose of my posting here.

    by member Narcis:
    German Imperial Navy?
    That was my first thought, and that of my friend also who owns the bayonet. But I would have thought it would be marked with a "Crown M" if it were navy issue. I'm not sure...

    Best Regards,

    Alan

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    The use of the State Crown may indicate a Royal Guard regiment or Kaiser's personal bodyguard, but I'm floating ideas here.

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