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Imperial EK1 screw back

Article about: by Wolfgang Wei There are too many fakes during collecting EKs. In this March, from the same seller, I bought two EKs at the second hand market in Stuttgart. One is EK I 1914, J.H.Werner Ber

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    Default Imperial EK1 screw back

    I have been offered a EK 1 with a screw back for purchase. I have requested more photos for research. I have viewed many on line and within the forum and it seems there are many variation to these. The 1914 looks off to me however it seems like many originals were off centered ect. Any guidance is greatly appreciated!Name:  image.jpg
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    Hi,

    Large Crown and closed 4 !
    I wouldn't dare :-(
    But wait for Greg to respond, he knows for sure :-)
    Mfg
    Marc
    Wir kapitulieren niemals !

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    I know very little about them. I going to hold off until a few others chime in. Your vote is thumbs down. Thanks for your comment unimarc!

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    Marc is right to be very cautious on this one.
    I would really need to see much better, good detail
    pictures of the front and back.

    The fakes of this style cross are very, very good.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Quote by Chopperman View Post
    I have to agree with Marc on this one. I would not
    take a chance on this one.
    Great thread and collection on imperial EKs Greg! This one surfaced among some third reich items. Not surprised...it seems to lack quality of the craft!! Thanks!

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    Thank you.

    Quality of Imperial crosses really dropped off
    between the wars and into ww2. I have a mint
    BH Mayer screwback made in the 30'-40s. It is
    a real looker but if you were to hold it side by side
    to a early Godet, or Hansen, there is no denying
    the quality and workmanship of the early crosses.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Quote by Chopperman View Post
    Marc is right to be very cautious on this one.
    I would really need to see much better, good detail
    pictures of the front and back.

    The fakes of this style cross are very, very good.
    I learned my lesson the hard way !
    Fortunately I got to return it, as described in earlier tread !
    Saved by Greg :-)
    Mfg
    Marc
    Wir kapitulieren niemals !

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    Here are a couple more photos from the seller.
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    In my opinion an original Schuarte & Hoehfeld TR produced EK1.

    Compare to the example shown here.

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    There are too many fakes during collecting EKs. In this March, from the same seller, I bought two EKs at the second hand market in Stuttgart. One is EK I 1914, J.H.Werner Berlin and the other is EK I 1939 with maker mark "51" at the pin. The seller promised both the crosses were from the veteran... Palapalapala
    But one of my friends in Berlin told me that the EK I 1939 maker mark 51 is a " piece of shit " while the the EK I 1914 is a rare version.
    Anyway, it is still long way for hobby.

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