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Article about: Excellent EKs you have there Chopperman. Can you tell me more info about this one?

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    Quote by unimarc View Post
    Strange it is unknown, or at least not proofed, since there are so many around ! It must be one of the most common ones ?!

    Mfg
    Marc
    Quantitative theory is the only proof of Klein&Quenzer being the KO maker. And I think it is very strong, although not straight evidence.

    There is one producer, about whom we know he produced a lot of crosses, whose mark is unknown and there is one widely spread mark KO, that has no producer.

    Btw, KO doesnīt mean Klein & Quenzer AG, Idar-Oberstein. It means Klein, Oberstein. Alfred Quenzer was already dead in 1918, and the Klein&Quenzer AG was founded in 1928. It looks that between 1918 and 1928 Klein used only his name for makerīs mark.

    The town Idar-Oberstein didnīt exist until administrative reform in 1933.

    Miro
    PS: I share the opinion that this is correct and original KO cross.

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    However it is still possible that Klein never marked
    their crosses and KO was somebody completely different.
    gregM
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    Quote by Chopperman View Post
    However it is still possible that Klein never marked
    their crosses and KO was somebody completely different.
    Of course, Greg. If we havenīt straight evidence, everything is possible.

    But if we were able to believe in Koenigliches Munzamt being KO maker only because of two matching letters, no we can at least tend to theory, which has a lot of strong, although not straight evidences.

    Miro

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    Hi guys,

    I have just received this EK2. A little rusty, but otherwise ok.
    My question is to the maker !
    It has mm ? W . ? Could be a bad stamped F or an I ?
    It would make it a Franz Xaver Wimmer or Iohann Wagner &Sohn .
    Could any of you role one out, buy looking at the design or ……?
    I would very much appreciate any input :-)

    Mfg
    Marc


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    ?W can be SW. Here is mine. If you check the ring on the first photo, you can see it is marked very similar way with only W clearly visible.

    Miro

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    Quote by unimarc View Post
    Hi guys,

    I have just received this EK2. A little rusty, but otherwise ok.
    My question is to the maker !
    It has mm ? W . ? Could be a bad stamped F or an I ?
    It would make it a Franz Xaver Wimmer or Iohann Wagner &Sohn .
    Could any of you role one out, buy looking at the design or ……?
    I would very much appreciate any input :-)

    Mfg
    Marc
    I think likely not Iohann Wagner. Here is my example to compare and I see that the oak leaves on the reverse are different.
    Ralph.
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    Quote by Miro View Post
    ?W can be SW. Here is mine. If you check the ring on the first photo, you can see it is marked very similar way with only W clearly visible.

    Miro

    <img src="http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=571483"/><img src="http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=571484"/>
    I tend to believe it is an F, because the part of the stamp that is there is a straight leg with a small point pert riding from the center. I find it hard to be an S, but likely an F !
    I will try to photo it or make a small sketch in one of the coming days :-)
    Mfg
    Marc
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    Quote by rbminis View Post

    I think likely not Iohann Wagner. Here is my example to compare and I see that the oak leaves on the reverse are different.
    Ralph.
    But several companies used a number of iron cores, meaning several crosses with same mm but different cores !

    Mfg
    Marc
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    Quote by unimarc View Post
    But several companies used a number of iron cores, meaning several crosses with same mm but different cores !

    Mfg
    Marc
    Hello Marc,
    Since your photos are not clear enough to compare frame details, I posted mine for reference. Compare the inner and outer corner frame details to yours. This should eliminate the "same maker, different cores" problem.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    Thanks a lot Ralph, i will try that :-)
    So much to learn and so much to discover !
    I really like collecting those EK's ;-)

    Mfg
    Marc
    Wir kapitulieren niemals !

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