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Article about: Excellent EKs you have there Chopperman. Can you tell me more info about this one?

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    Tom,
    Not a Meybauer. 99% sure it is a Deumer. Most I have come
    across have had the typical coke bottle pin but these needle
    pin versions have also been attributed Deumer.



    Nice cross.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

  2. #352

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    Thank you very much Greg for clearing that up for me.
    Tom

  3. #353

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    Quote by leej11 View Post
    Next is an SW. I like the catch design.
    Hi Lee, looking at your S-W it looks like the hook has been replaced. Here's mine to compare. It was probably done after being damaged in use. A nice 'been there' touch, Cheers, Richard.
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  4. #354
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    I think your right. hopefully a period replacement.

    Chopperman, I can definately see the difference in quality. Lee

  5. #355

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    Quote by Chopperman View Post
    The last one, which you say might be Austrian has had a bit
    of discussion lately over on a different forum. In Previtera's
    "Iron Time" first edition he shows an example of this one(pg168)
    and says that they are tought to be French made as propoganda
    pieces. The Crown being a French Napoleonic crown.

    Many people do not believe that to be true. Some believe this one
    to be a post war souvenier. No one knows for sure.
    Greg, Gentlemen,...as promised, I got to photograph 'Bowens' book, to me this is THE book to have, although not as 'glossy' or coffee table compatable as 'Iron Time', I find its narrative contents to be greater than both Previtiras and Williamsons (for novices) books. A difficult book to find. However, that said, the info on our 'mystery' cross is still vague, to say the least !....oh well, it will continue to evoke debate.
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    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

  6. #356
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    Chopperman you got me hooked by this thread! Here is my second EK2 1870 I just picked. Like I said Oradour, I picked up The Iron Time. The book you just posted by Vernon E Bowens is hard to find and when I found it, they wanted $350 bucks for it! Anyway, Im having a hard time understanding the difference between a Godet and a Wagner & Sohn and also different variants. Which is mine and why? I know you guys can school me. Thanks, Lee
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  7. #357

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    Lee,
    Putting a maker to a early 1870 2nd class is almost
    impossible.

    The core used in your cross was made at the Berlin foundery
    before it was closed in 1873. This core style (the type A core)
    was produced at the Berlin foundry and then sent to Wagner
    and Godet and possibly others to be assembled in their frames.
    So that means that these companies crosses are virtually identical.

    There was some discussion on another forum about maybe being
    able to identify the 1870 Godet frame. I don't remember if it was
    for a 1st or 2nd class cross OR if it proved be be affective.----
    I will do some searching to try and find the thread.

    BTW-- That's a wonderful early 1870 in very very nice condition. Well done.
    Last edited by Chopperman; 06-18-2010 at 12:48 AM.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

  8. #358

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    Steve,
    Thanks for posting the scan from Bowen's book. That book
    has a lot of great information. The only issue I have with
    relying too heavily on it is that it was printed 24 years ago
    and we are still discovering new things.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

  9. #359

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    Quote by leej11 View Post
    Chopperman you got me hooked by this thread!
    I'm glad this thread has done some good. I joined this forum a year ago and was
    blowen away by the lack of crosses posted in Imperial. Only a small handfull at best.
    I posted my meager collection and have been honored to see others posting in it as well.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

  10. #360

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    Here is a discussion on 1870 Godet frames.

    Comparing frames on 1870 Godet Wideframe - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

    If your inner corners are still well defined this may tell you if
    your cross is a Godet or not.

    Steve-- Feel free to remove this link if need be.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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