Kaiserliche Marine badges, maybe...

[RDUNE]

Hello all,

I recently picked up a small group of early badges and these two were in the lot. I have not been able to fully identify either of them and would appreciate your help.

One I believe is a post-war made veterans association badge. It bears the name of a ship, the Elbing, which I assume is the ship the veteran served on. The details are not as crisp as similar badges that I've been able to find, but it still seems well made.

The other has me stumped. It is very well made and marked 'Ges Gesh 120' on the reverse. I'm assuming Kaiserliche Marine something or other but I cannot find a similar insignia with crossed shovels over the anchor. Also, the pin is horizontal rather than vertical, which I found interesting.

Thank you for your help and insight, it is greatly appreciated!

-Ryan

[Chopperman]

The bottom one is indeed a veterans pin. "Ges.Gesch" means protected by law.
It's kind of like our Copy right or patented marks.

Sorry I can't help with the other pin.

[HPL2008]

One I believe is a post-war made veterans association badge. It bears the name of a ship, the Elbing, which I assume is the ship the veteran served on. The details are not as crisp as similar badges that I've been able to find, but it still seems well made.

It's not a ship's name, but merely a geographical designation: Note that it says "MARINEVEREIN ELBING U. UMG. [= UND UMGEBUNG]". This would be a membership badge for the Naval Veterans' Association of Elbing (today Elbląg in Poland) and the surrounding area.

[RDUNE]

Thank you both for your input, it is very helpful :-)

Any ideas on the anchor badge? A naval construction unit perhaps?

[MAP]

You maybe could start by trying to determine what the meaning of the crossed shovels and then go from there. Personally I have no idea and can't help beyond that.

Maybe the shovels indicate a type of task on a ship? Shuttling coal into a boiler?