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Kriegsflagge Real or Fake?

Article about: Hello everyone, I got this Kriegsflagge offered to me, which made me really excited because I've wanted one of these for a while now. So I did some digging on this forum but could not find a

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    Yes, it is important to have the exact measurements for two reasons. It will give you an idea of the size of the naval vessel it was intended for. The bigger the ship, the bigger the flag.; and it can indicate whether the flag was sold for use aboard a non-naval vessel such as a small power boat or sail boat. I had a roughly 3x5 foot flag exactly like yours that I bought in Berlin 1969. I flew it on my 32-foot sloop. To help you below is a chart of flag sizes for the U.S. Navy. The sizes shown correspond roughly with the flag sizes and vessels for all the world's navies. Another thing The hoist--the end of the flag parallel to the mast, should have a short length of rope with a loop for hoisting and flying. It might have come off over time, but there should be some evidence that it was there. The Germans sewed the hoist into a roll that was hollow and the rope I described was run through it and was made fast at both ends. Dwight

    Kriegsflagge Real or Fake?

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    There is an apparent problem with the size stamped on the flag, 5x28. That long and narrow ratio would be a pennant rather than a flag. And the ratio does not describe your flag, which appears to be almost square. It would be helpful if we had the actual measurements of the flag. I agree with Adrian and Danmark that it is a “memory flag” and not one that was flown on any of the ships that fought in the Battle of Jutland; it is much too small. Never-the-less, with the inscriptions written on it, it is a nice collector’s piece. The question is, which of the several ships does it represent? Dwight

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    Quote by drmessimer View Post
    There is an apparent problem with the size stamped on the flag, 5x28. That long and narrow ratio would be a pennant rather than a flag. And the ratio does not describe your flag, which appears to be almost square. It would be helpful if we had the actual measurements of the flag. I agree with Adrian and Danmark that it is a “memory flag” and not one that was flown on any of the ships that fought in the Battle of Jutland; it is much too small. Never-the-less, with the inscriptions written on it, it is a nice collector’s piece. The question is, which of the several ships does it represent? Dwight
    Hello Dwight, sorry for my late response. Your help is much appreciated! It is definitely not the size of a pennant though, haha. I estimate that it is around 80 by 120 cm big.
    I will measure it once I have time and space, it is quite a hassle with how fragile it is.
    It also does have the rope at the bottom with a loop in it at the end.

    Do you think it is an original flag from the WW1 or Weimar period?

    Thank you again for your help!

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    I am sure it is original and is certainly from WWI, but it is much too small to have flown from any of the warships that were scuttled at Scapa Flow in 1919. It might have been flown from one of the ship’s auxiliary boats, since the size fits that category. It is possible that a sailor aboard one of the ships that was scuttled in 1919 took it from one of her small boats. Flags of that size are still flown from the Wasserschutzolizei boats in Berlin, and would have been used in naval auxiliary vessels of the same size in the navy. Dwight

    Kriegsflagge Real or Fake?
    This style was flown 1919-1922

    Kriegsflagge Real or Fake?
    This was flown 1923 to 1933

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    Quote by drmessimer View Post
    I am sure it is original and is certainly from WWI, but it is much too small to have flown from any of the warships that were scuttled at Scapa Flow in 1919. It might have been flown from one of the ship’s auxiliary boats, since the size fits that category. It is possible that a sailor aboard one of the ships that was scuttled in 1919 took it from one of her small boats. Flags of that size are still flown from the Wasserschutzolizei boats in Berlin, and would have been used in naval auxiliary vessels of the same size in the navy. Dwight

    Kriegsflagge Real or Fake?
    This style was flown 1919-1922

    Kriegsflagge Real or Fake?
    This was flown 1923 to 1933
    Thank you for the info! I find it very interesting! I'm very happy to hear that it's from WW1!
    I wonder if there are images of any German auxiliary vessels at Scapa Flow, I've not been able to find any so far.

    I'll post the measurement's once I have measured the flag.

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