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My SOS Pickup: a 1917 dated 1898/05 "Butcher Blade" bayonet

Article about: I just came back from the SOS show and had a blast. I had the honor of meeting wrf member winterhilfswerk Book "Chrys" thank you again for the ribbon!, Dave from ww2germanhelmets.c

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    Nice bayonet. I have always liked butcher bayonets.

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    Thanks!

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    I had a quick question, since they were only made for a year is this a uncommon/rare maker?
    Ryan

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    Not particularly rare, as a matter of fact, fairly common. Fichtel and Sachs made the Sg98/05nA bayonet like yours for the Kingdom of Bavaria for 4 years, in 1915, 1916, 1917 and 1918. They are commonly seen but not always in as nice condition as yours.

    F & S also made the Sg98/05mS (sawback version) in 1916 and 1917.

    All the above information comes from Anthony Carter's German Bayonets - The Models 98/02 and 98/05 published in 1984, the first of his 4 volume work on German bayonets.


    rbemer207, congratulations on the purchase, well worth the price.

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    Nice find Ryan congrats!! It seems like they might of not had a long production run as I have seen other examples exactly like yours. Looking in my German Cutlery reference,, I find it interesting that there is no logo present,, but yours has the cross keys logo of the Friedrich Herder firm notable for SA SS HJ daggers. It may be a possibility, that Fitchel & Sachs might of contracted The Herder Firm to complete their bayonets. Either way a very nice WWI bayonet. Below is a logo used from the Herder firm. Regards Larry
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    Larry makes a good point, F & S received blade blanks from Herder that they used to make finished bayonets. By 1918 they were able to make the complete bayonet.

    I forgot to add to my first post, the number stamped on the cross guard is not a regimental number, it is an accountability number commonly seen on Bavarian issued bayonets. the accountability number was placed there by a unit armorer and the number was placed in the soldier's record, he was responsible to return the bayonet in good order when required.

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    Quote by USNV5 View Post
    Not particularly rare, as a matter of fact, fairly common. Fichtel and Sachs made the Sg98/05nA bayonet like yours for the Kingdom of Bavaria for 4 years, in 1915, 1916, 1917 and 1918. They are commonly seen but not always in as nice condition as yours.

    F & S also made the Sg98/05mS (sawback version) in 1916 and 1917.

    All the above information comes from Anthony Carter's German Bayonets - The Models 98/02 and 98/05 published in 1984, the first of his 4 volume work on German bayonets.


    rbemer207, congratulations on the purchase, well worth the price.
    Quote by Larry C View Post
    Nice find Ryan congrats!! It seems like they might of not had a long production run as I have seen other examples exactly like yours. Looking in my German Cutlery reference,, I find it interesting that there is no logo present,, but yours has the cross keys logo of the Friedrich Herder firm notable for SA SS HJ daggers. It may be a possibility, that Fitchel & Sachs might of contracted The Herder Firm to complete their bayonets. Either way I very nice WWI bayonet. Below is a logo used from the Herder firm. Regards Larry
    Thank you guys so much for the info! I have found a frog, thanks to Volksjeger. I am so glad i did well on this bayonet, i was just about to leave the sos empty handed until right as i started walking i found this hanging on a peg board. After a little bargaining i got him down and purchased it! Next step are the two wwi ammo pouches.
    Thanks
    Ryan

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    It was nice to meet you too Ryan...and very random how it happened!

    Congrats on your new addition...you did well!

    Chrys

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    Congrats. Wish I could have gone.

    Eric
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    The most random thing ever lol! Nice to meet you!
    Thanks
    Ryan

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