Need Help on my 1870 EKII

**buellmeister** · 05-01-2012, 01:16 AM

Gents,

I wanted to take better pictures of this item before making the move to send it back to the seller.. Thanks goes out to Danny and Greg for your kind assistance and help raising possible suspicion. Hopefully, I may have found a gem. Have a looksee Gents and please chime in on this one.

Kind Regards,

Joel

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 05-01-2012 01:16 AM

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**Danny70** · 05-01-2012, 01:50 AM

Joel,

I know you have been wanting one of these for a long time now, but I feel this isn't the one for you.

There are too many things about it that are ringing alarm bells.
1. Painted core.
2. 'Over and under' 8.
3. Flaws in the lower areas of the 8 and middle 1 of the 1813 date
4. Inconsistant flange depths with heavy filing.

All of these are features found on the 'ninth bead fake'.

Can you take a detailed photo or scan of the obverse crown?
Also, how is the soldering? and what are it's measurements?

Sorry for all the negative comments, but I really don't have a good feeling about this cross.

Regards - Danny

**buellmeister** · 05-01-2012, 01:58 AM

Danny,
Thank you my friend! All is good with the seller and I'll send it back in the AM.

**rbminis** · 05-01-2012, 02:01 AM

Hi Joel!
Sorry to hear that you were not successful in getting one of these.

Patience, I am sure that Danny and Greg will be more than happy to help you aquire an original.

Ralph.

**Danny70** · 05-01-2012, 02:06 AM

Joel,

Don't just rely on my opinion, I would like to hear others thoughts also.
But, it's good news that the seller is happy to accept it back.

and don't worry, there's an 1870 out there somewhere just waiting for you to find it!

Regards - Danny

**buellmeister** · 05-01-2012, 02:06 AM

Ralph,

I thank you for your concern and good to see you as well my friend. I had that feeling that the price was a little low and that deal was too good to be true. My next purchase will be run by the experts first! Thanks again everyone!

Danny, the hunt continues..... Thank you my friend once again..

**Chopperman** · 05-01-2012, 03:16 AM

Joel
I can not be 100% sure from the pictures provided but my gut feeling
is that Danny is spot on with his assessment.

Here are some shots of a 9 beader to compare against----

**buellmeister** · 05-01-2012, 03:24 AM

Greg,

I thank you as well my friend.. Back it goes... It looks at first convincing then under further review it is best to send it right back... I got trigger happy to potentially pounce on a good deal...