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Please Help - WWI EK 2 - Authentic or Fake

Article about: Hello all, I would like to get your opinions about the authenticity of this EK 2. 44 mm x 44 mm. Definietly 3 piece construction, magnetic center plate. Suspention ring marked 3. Is this for

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    Default Please Help - WWI EK 2 - Authentic or Fake

    Hello all,

    I would like to get your opinions about the authenticity of this EK 2.

    44 mm x 44 mm. Definietly 3 piece construction, magnetic center plate. Suspention ring marked 3. Is this for C.E. Junker Berlin?

    Thank you very much for your help.

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    An nice original Third Reich period made veteran replacement piece, hence the size 44x44 mm the same size as the "1939" EK's, mm "3" is the "Prasidialkanzlei des Fuhrers Lieferant" (State number) for "Wilhelm Deumer K.G." of Ludenscheid.
    Prost ! Steve.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Looks like a good one to me.
    As Steve said, a TR period made made cross.
    We don't often see a "numbered" 1914 cross.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Guys I've very confused. I was under the impression that this was a WWI made EK 2. I know WW 2 EKs are 44mm, is that why you think that this is a WW2 made? What is the dimentions of a WW I made EK?

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    looks like i measured wrong. this is 43 mm x 43 mm. Here is my WW II EK 2 right next to this.

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    Thanks

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    [QUOTE=wildkatz22;758455]is that why you think that this is a WW2 made? of a WW I made EK?/QUOTE]

    No, I do not think, I know ! Wildkatz22....the basics for EK recognition, is at the very least, you know that TR markings, i.e. the LDO and State numbers do not appear on WW1 manufactured crosses ! You state in the thread on the Imperial EK II that you find reference books to be of little use.....you either have the wrong books or are not reading them !
    Prost ! Steve.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    You tell us that it's 44mm and that it has a "3" makers mark.
    It's easy to see why we would think it is a TR made cross.

    Let's see a clear shot of the maker's mark.
    Maybe that is where the confusion started.
    Last edited by Chopperman; 12-30-2012 at 03:04 AM.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Steve,

    Didn't mean to question your judgement, marely asking how to identify one from the other (should have reworded the question). You answered my follow up question as to what the markings were. The references I had are really bad 1. WW II collectibles by Michael Haskew and 2. the Snyders treasures which i have been told not to use because of so many fakes. And you are also right about me not reading them all the way through as well.


    Greg,

    It's my fault for not measuring carefully. Here are the pictures of the marking on the suyspension ring. I took as best of a picture as i could. Thank you.

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    First and most important piece of advice I can give you.

    Stay away from Snyders Treasures. There is nothing but
    pure crap on that site.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    The mark on your cross is not a 3. I am not sure what it is,
    You would need to compare it against pictures of other marks
    and against a list of makers. Do a search in Imperial and
    somewhere there is a makers list posted.

    Here is a picture of what a correct "3" makers mark would like.
    Note that Deumer's maker mark was a raised 3 in a incused box.
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    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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