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Pour le Merite fake spotted, buyer beware

Article about: I was about to bid on an EK1 from this gentleman, until I noticed he also had a Pour le Merite - Wagner - and the bidding was a heck of a lot less than 10,000 Euros! Nowhere does he say any

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    Default Pour le Merite Wagner fake spotted, buyer beware

    I was about to bid on an EK1 from this gentleman, until I noticed he also had a Pour le Merite - Wagner - and the bidding was a heck of a lot less than 10,000 Euros!

    Nowhere does he say any of his items are repros but after reading on this forum about how to spot a PLM fake, I've given this guy a very wide berth. . All I can say is Thank You for the PLM threads here, else I may have parted with money.
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    I already had alarm bells when his EK1 was marked 1 "for Deschler" when Deschler should be marked DSM.
    Scandalous. Doesn't take much to type "repro" in the advert.
    Last edited by NickM; 04-22-2012 at 08:47 PM.

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    Default Re: Pour le Merite Wagner fake spotted, buyer beware

    NOTHING this guy has for sale is authentic.

    Also---There are NO original ww1 Iron Crosses with a Deschler mark.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    Default Re: Pour le Merite fake spotted, buyer beware

    I know. But because he doesn't call any of it reproductions, it would catch the unwary out. His Deschler-marked EK1 almost got me.

    Had they been unmarked I would have taken them as repros, but because he adds maker marks it makes it easy to get caught out unless you really know what to look for.

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    It's good something about this cross spooked you. Ebay is a wonderful
    place to learn about fakes.

    I am adding a picture of the cross in question.
    This particular fake has been making the rounds for a couple years now.
    It is really easy to spot because of the pumpkin shaped crown . That's why
    it is known as "The Pumpkin crown fake" They are solid, one piece and non-magnetic.
    Almost all do not have the crown or "W" painted however many sellers have taken to
    painting the details and also aging the cross with fake patina and paint damage.
    There are also a variety of different makers marks and attachment methods used.
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    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    This is fellow requires a public flogging ! he is just a totally dishonest scumbag ! all the crap he sells is Chinese reproduction...but plenty buy from him ! supply and demand ? I urge everybody to avoid this rogue like the plague.......
    Prost ! Steve.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Here are some more examples----
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    gregM
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    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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    The only reason the cross spooked me was its being quoted as a Deschler and I could only find Deschler described as having DSM. I was at the point of thinking was it a rarity and almost ready to bid on it. Then I saw his PLM with dodgy Wagner mark, and only smelled a rat after I came on here and looked at the Wagner PLM thread.
    Long and short, if I hadn't been on here the chances are I'd have been down money.

    I can see why there is a market for repros - the prices of EK1s are a bit steep for me, so I invested in a repro EK1 from a seller in Chile. No problem with that, but at least I'm not under the illusion that it's something it isn't.

    Anyway I've reported mr fake-plm-man to ebay for not describing his products as repros.
    I can't thank this forum enough for the wealth of advice and help for new collectors.
    Is it worth having a sticky showing what to look for on genuine EKs, and showing the signs of common fakes?

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    Default Re: Pour le Merite fake spotted, buyer beware

    Nick,
    Just check out these two threads-----
    My Imperial EK Collection

    and

    Imperial Eks

    Almost every common and many not so common Ek variation is here.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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