shoulder boards, help

[bichon]

Hello
can you identify those shoulder boards ?
thanks for answers
cordially
Didier

[bichon]

Hello
nobody knows ?
cordially
Didier

[FALLSCHIRMJAGER]

Hello, I would,nt know for sure but they look as though they may be swedish? SORRY on reflection they could be POLISH.The swedes have a lion in a shield and not a bird.The russian bird has two heads so as this only has one i go for POLAND!!

[oradour]

These are Imperial Germen shoulder boards...to be exact they are for a "Bavarian Militarebeamte" (military official) admin or payroll administrators (a Zahlmeister) shoulder boards..... The blue "flecking", the little blue chevrons give them away as Bavarian, a "Beamten" is a civilian employed by the army and given an rank equivalent to an Officers...but more like a manager in an army administrative department.......... see this description of Militarebeamte....

"German Beamten (as these officials were called) ranked equivalent to officers; there were some with equivalent Unteroffiziere mit Portepee (Senior NCO) ranks. They were members of the Armed Forces according to the Law of Land Warfare, but were not “soldiers” by the German definition. As officials, their authority extended only to their specialty field — unlike soldiers, whose authority extends to anyone whom the individual outranks. Beamten could not hold command. They were entitled to all the customs and courtesies associated with their rank/status, however. In the social order of the day, being an officer was the peak of the pyramid, if you couldn’t be a regular officer, being a reserve officer was next best, and a very close approximation of that would have been appointment as an official. In addition to those performing personnel, supply, and logistics functions, army chaplains, doctors, bandmasters and veterinarians were also officials, although their uniforms differed significantly from those of the other officials in being basically those of active officers with distinguishing insignia. The main difference between officer and official status depended much on education. Officials were by no means lesser-educated officers — many had university degrees (which few officers did) — but they did not meet the professional education/training requirements for appointment as officers or soldiers. Most officials tended to remain such although if the military education qualifications were met, appointment as an officer or soldier could be made.
Beamten were not addressed by the same titles as regular officers. A paymaster Hauptmann-equivalent, for instance, was a Stabzahlmeister. Whether the average landser walking down the street would have known the titles is doubtful, but those who worked with these individuals certainly did. Most any soldier would have recognized a paymaster - - he was an important man in the battalion since he doled out food and money. The titles among officials of equal rank also varied by specialty, so knowing the specific title for one Beamter did not necessarily give any indication at all of another’s title.
Each branch had its own secondary colour, and some branches such as Field Post Office had their own insignia in place of the State symbol, and army clergy wore no shoulder straps at all."

Prost ! Steve.

[FALLSCHIRMJAGER]

Very interesting, i was looking at imperial german but i could not find this type and it is no suprise if they are that unusual.

[bichon]

Hello Steve
thank you very much
cordially
Didier