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what is this helmet?

Article about: by oradour Steve, those makers that made only one size tend to be rarer, heres a quick list of known mm, other marks exist, but there meaning/makers are lost to time :- Maker name/City. Make

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    Quote by oradour View Post
    cricketchris1944, this is a Model 1916 German Stahlhelm,I take it it has M91 style chinstrap posts...the slope of German helmets towards the rear skirt is very different when comparing different makers, Visors were either short or longer and the angle of the slope was steep or flat. I include a sample chart below for comparison showing the different angles, your looks to me like the maker ' Remschied-Hasten' size 64, the stamp for this maker would be 'K 64' (size 64 was made by this firm). Are there any letters/numbers stamped on either inside or outside the crown of the helmet. Oh and by the way....$20 !! you cant get any better than that !
    From top to bottom :-
    F.W.Quist 'Q'
    Unknown relic, size 66
    Remscheid-Hasten 'K'
    Eisenhuttenwerk Thale 'ET'
    I do not see any markings on it.I posted some new pictures of the inside I hope this will be helpful.

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    cricketchris1944, exactly what i was hoping to see...M91 chinstrap posts (A'la Pickelhaube) and metal liner band, it is a GERMAN M17 Helmet. I am sure there will be markings just forward of the right chinstrap mount (as you look at the helmet front on), they will be obscurred by the thick paint/cruddy rust build up. IMO the green paint inside is not period.

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    Quote by oradour View Post
    cricketchris1944, exactly what i was hoping to see...M91 chinstrap posts (A'la Pickelhaube) and metal liner band, it is a GERMAN M17 Helmet. I am sure there will be markings just forward of the right chinstrap mount (as you look at the helmet front on), they will be obscurred by the thick paint/cruddy rust build up. IMO the green paint inside is not period.

    Thank you Oradour for all the great infos .I did has you told me and I did find marking where you saided to look under the paint without distroying the helmet .

    here are the markings (Al 64)

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    cricketchris1944, GREAT !....it is as i first thought, the 'A' character is actually a 'bell shape' (looks a little like a capital A ) followed by an 'L', this maker mark is 'R.Lindenberg A.G. Remshied-Hasten', this firm only made steel helmets in size 64.The bell/L logo is also known as the 'Rattle logo'. Some sources put the rattle logo as mm for 'Stahlwerk Rochling', others, the Remshied firm, (as i believe), the Remshied-Hasten made helmet is the one with the distnctive low skirt to visor look, just like yours.
    Last edited by oradour; 05-17-2010 at 12:32 AM.

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    cricketchris1944, your book looks to be very informative, great photographs...i must (I will) get a copy !...I must admit its a theatre of the Great War I have not studied in great depth, something i shall be rectifying in the near future ! super work !

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    "...this firm only made steel helmets in size 64....."
    Must be a pretty rare lid then ? !


    Still, $20 is such an awesome deal !






    Regards, Steve.

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    Quote by oradour View Post
    cricketchris1944, your book looks to be very informative, great photographs...i must (I will) get a copy !...I must admit its a theatre of the Great War I have not studied in great depth, something i shall be rectifying in the near future ! super work !
    Thank you for that.I tried my best ,this was my first book.It was maded not for people like us but to get new people interrested in history I was thinking a picture book with great pictures would be the way to go and get them interrested in it.

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    Quote by oradour View Post
    cricketchris1944, GREAT !....it is as i first thought, the 'A' character is actually a 'bell shape' (looks a little like a capital A ) followed by an 'L', this maker mark is 'R.Lindenberg A.G. Remshied-Hasten', this firm only made steel helmets in size 64.The bell/L logo is also known as the 'Rattle logo'. Some sources put the rattle logo as mm for 'Stahlwerk Rochling', others, the Remshied firm, (as i believe), the Remshied-Hasten made helmet is the one with the distnctive low skirt to visor look, just like yours.
    I know who to ask now for infos,Is it rare.I was thinking it was from a different country than Germany but this is great news because I was going to sell it but no more.I try to only collect US and German stuff because it would be way to much.

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    Quote by Walkwolf View Post
    "...this firm only made steel helmets in size 64....."
    Must be a pretty rare lid then ? !


    Still, $20 is such an awesome deal !






    Regards, Steve.
    Steve, those makers that made only one size tend to be rarer, heres a quick list of known mm, other marks exist, but there meaning/makers are lost to time :-
    Maker name/City. Maker code. Sizes produced.
    Gebrueder Bing A.G., Nuernberg G.B.N 64
    F.C. Bellinger, Fulda B.F. 62,64
    J. & H. Kerkmann, Ahlen/Westf K. 64
    Gebrueder Gnuechtel A.G., Lauter i./Sa. G. 62
    Vereinigte Deutsche Nickelwerke, Schwerte i/Westf. - N.J. N.J 62
    R. Lindenberg A.G., Remscheid-Hasten "Bell" L. a.k.a. rattle logo 64
    Koerting & Mathiesen, Leutsch /Leipzig K&M 66,68
    Hermann Weissenburger & Co., Stuttgart-Canstatt W. 66
    C. Thiel & Soehne, Luebeck T.J. 66,68
    Eisenhuettenwerke Thale A.G., Thale /Harz E.T. 60-68
    Siemens & Halske A.G., Siemenstadt Berlin superimposed S over H stamp 60
    Eisenhuette Silesia, Paruschowitz Oberschlesien Si 62,66
    F.W. Quist, Esslingen/Neckar Q 66

    The most common M16/17/18 helmets tend to be the 'E.T.' mm helmets as they made all sizes, plus the only model of the super rare M18 cut-away model.

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