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WW1 1915 Pat Prussian Cavalry Helmet

Article about: Hi Guys, I mainly collect Third Reich Militaria but quite like the look of the attached helmet. I am guessing that it is a fake but would appreciate it if some of you imperial buffs could ca

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    Hi Guys,
    I mainly collect Third Reich Militaria but quite like the look of the attached helmet. I am guessing that it is a fake but would appreciate it if some of you imperial buffs could cast your eye over it. I have been "spiked" by these helmets in the past.

    Cheers
    Andy
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    Looks like an original lobstertail to me. Nice helmet! Jim G.

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    Cheers Jim!! I do believe I will buy it.

    Cheers
    Andy

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    BLONDI, hold your horses !.....This helmet is purporting to be a Model 1915 Kurassier helm ,the wappen (front badge), cockades and chinstrap are fake !, look at the eagle badge, notice how there is no gap between the legs and body, they are joined...BAD!....The body of the helmet needs further investigation....it has at the very least been repainted inside, the underneath of the front visor should be bright green, there should be a makers mark on the inside of the skull, around the spike fastening bolts....and also a size mark on inside of lip on of lobstertail....notice how the from the side the trim does not flow around the shape of the helm....Bad. Ask the seller for photos of these points I have mentioned, there are heavily faked, some are bad some are passable, like this one ! I will post this thread now, and take photos of mine in 10 minutes and post for you to compare......
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Cheers Guys! I will hold off on this lid. It does look great though! The dealer does state that the cockades have been repainted. I thought that the wappen lacked crisp detail. (A lesson that I learned from the last fake that I bought).
    Thanks for the info, I am looking forward to seeing your pictures!!

    Andy

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    BLONDI, a series of photos......the photo of the rear lip of the inside of the lobstertail is not good, but you will get the idea !..also I have removed the cockade/chinstrap and liner , notice the slit by the M91 chinstrap mount for the liner pin, and the size again '56', not all helms had this, some had regiment markings here, but all had the size marking on the rear lip. My helm has a Model 1915 Pickelhaube removable spike, the one you show has a 'Kurassier' spike, both were used...however i include a shot of the base with spike removed, it should twist off like a bayonet, not merely pull off !, notice the hatch markings on the top of the mount, it should NOT be smooth as on Indian copies. You should be paying around £500-£800 private sale to anything over £1000 with a dealer. If it is cheaper than this IMO there is something wrong. Hope this helps.
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    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Oradour, thats brilliant!! The one that I am looking at is just under £400.00 (Thats why I was looking at it). I will see if the dealer is willing to provide further pictures but I am not getting that warm fuzzy feeling and think I will stay well clear!!!

    Disaster Averted

    Andy

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    BLONDI, that may be a wise decission ! it isnt UKM sales is it ?
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    It's not UKM this time, but they got me last time with an Oldenberg helmet. This one is by A to Z militaria but I am confident that this is an honest mistake.
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    BLONDI, Hope you sent that Pickelhaube back !....utter fake from top to bottom !.....re/ the Kurassier helm, get the dealer to send you e-mail photos of the rear rim size marking, mm on inside skull, and photo of side chinstrap mount with cockade removed, and a shot of the spike mount with spike removed.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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