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    could anyone please give me a pointer with these?
    I thought they may have been some kind of general's rank insignia, they came in a job lot from and online auction house but when they arrived I realised the size of them!
    they are approx 8x5cm each and obviously a pair.

    any pointers appreciated
    kind regards
    Ed

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    "…knowing him, and something of his deeds, it was impossible not to believe in greatness. In that square figure was housed a spirit of grandeur, and with his massive heroism went gentleness and modesty, even humility. He had no need to proclaim his virtue, for history would be his spokesman."
    Eric Linklater on Wavell.

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    Hello Ed, they are nice quality general officer bullion badges.
    The paper backing certainly gives them some age.

    I will check in my old COSAs to see if there is anything listed as they are big badges..
    May be off a sash or cloak

    All the best
    Doug

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    Quote by Saladin View Post
    Hello Ed, they are nice quality general officer bullion badges.
    The paper backing certainly gives them some age.

    I will check in my old COSAs to see if there is anything listed as they are big badges..
    May be off a sash or cloak

    All the best
    Doug
    thanks doug, i appreciate the help.
    they are a big size!
    "…knowing him, and something of his deeds, it was impossible not to believe in greatness. In that square figure was housed a spirit of grandeur, and with his massive heroism went gentleness and modesty, even humility. He had no need to proclaim his virtue, for history would be his spokesman."
    Eric Linklater on Wavell.

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    Generals in type, but this big, maybe mess dress or early tunic? Just guessing Ed.
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    thanks jerry.
    i know it's difficult, but if you had to guess, what sort of age would you put to this construction type?
    "…knowing him, and something of his deeds, it was impossible not to believe in greatness. In that square figure was housed a spirit of grandeur, and with his massive heroism went gentleness and modesty, even humility. He had no need to proclaim his virtue, for history would be his spokesman."
    Eric Linklater on Wavell.

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    Hi Ed,
    looked through the modern COSA and have found a badge about the same size as yours.
    Official designation: INSIGNIA, RANK, OFFICER
    Crossed sword and scabbard. Large.
    General.

    These are now made in anodised aluminium also listed ar smae designation but medium and small.
    I have attached a picture from the COSA but it shows that they are produced as 'pairs'

    Looking at the paper backing I would date these around late 19th early 20th Century as even the 1st war badges have a linen backing (if any at all)

    I will see if I can find anything more in any old COSAs

    My assumption would be that yours were designed to fit on the heavy gold braid epaulettes that were worn by General Officers.

    All the best
    Doug


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    Here you go:
    Badge Rank, crossed sword and baton
    Large size : Officers: Large: Handed design pairs: Greatcoat: Shoulder strap.

    Medium is for No2 dress and small is for No7 tropical mess dress.

    Bullion badges are now to be privately purchased but would be applied to No1 Blues and Ceremonial wear.
    Unfortunately I don't have the CE (ceremonial catalogues) as hard copies only the on line brand new one.

    Hope this helps

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    Quote by Saladin View Post

    My assumption would be that yours were designed to fit on the heavy gold braid epaulettes that were worn by General Officers.
    I think you may have just hit the nail on the head Doug!
    possibly could be from the general officers (1830 box pattern) epaulettes???

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    can be seen clearer here:
    The Military Gentleman
    "…knowing him, and something of his deeds, it was impossible not to believe in greatness. In that square figure was housed a spirit of grandeur, and with his massive heroism went gentleness and modesty, even humility. He had no need to proclaim his virtue, for history would be his spokesman."
    Eric Linklater on Wavell.

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    There you have it then Ed
    Spot on
    We got there in the end

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    Thanks again mate, I owe you a beer!
    "…knowing him, and something of his deeds, it was impossible not to believe in greatness. In that square figure was housed a spirit of grandeur, and with his massive heroism went gentleness and modesty, even humility. He had no need to proclaim his virtue, for history would be his spokesman."
    Eric Linklater on Wavell.

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