Desert rats?+ a mystery one!

[NCA]

I recently bought these three patches and i was hoping the members here could help me with the id of them.
At the top what i was told are original ww2 desert rats patches.I was offered a set of medals from the same owner but couldnt afford them...They are stitched onto a wool/serge type material with a cotton gauze backing.They look like theyve been there!(and they have)
Below them, a complete mystery.Fire service?Military?civilian?Embroidered onto felt this time.Two matching buttons as well.Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[ian]

hi NCA if the rats are original ? they are 4th armoured brigade .
not 7th armoured div , desert rats yes , but not the same .7th armoued ,the tail went under the legs ,not over the back . however many where localy made and may difer ,the ones you have ,look good ,localy made 4th armd brigade patches , cheers ian
to clarify 4th armd brgd were the main armd unit of the 7th armd div

[NCA]

Ah, thanks.4th armoured division.i am absolutly certain they are genuine as i trust the source and there was a medal grouping too.Wish i got them now...
They are a bit moth nibbled!
Any ideas on the other?

[ian]

sorry mate no about the others
but IMHO good original 4th arnd brgd localy made patches , look after them ,cheers ian
thats 4th armoured brigade not !! division
OH and both units were part of the 8th army

[NCA]

Thanks for your help.If only they could talk...

[ian]

yep i agree , my uncle was 7th div , but he would never talk about it 'understandable ??? yes i think so ,after what they went through ,cheers ian

[LucN]

They look like common 4th armoured brigade formation signs, not locally made. Here's one that I picked up recently, it seems identical to yours.

[NCA]

It is almost exactly the same...have you been round my house?!

looks like they were both made in the same place.

If anyone knows the SFB patch please enlighten me as id love to know who/what/when ect...

[Adrian Stevenson]

I am certain the other one is indeed Fire brigade.

Cheers, Ade.

[LucN]

Could it be Southern Fire Brigade?

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