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Article about: Hi guys received this recently, bought online in a joblot and from the pictures i thought it could have been a victorian helmet plate, but having recieved it, and wondering what it actually

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    Hi guys received this recently, bought online in a joblot and from the pictures i thought it could have been a victorian helmet plate, but having recieved it, and wondering what it actually is, as all the examples i have seen have lugs, this has two small square holes?

    could anyone help me out?
    kind regards
    Ed

    measures approx 9.5 x 8.5cm

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    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...."
    - Major-General John Sedgwick, 9 may 1864.
    Killed by a sniper during the battle of Spotsylvania..

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    Hi Ed,

    I must admit that helmet plates are out of my comfort zone but if it helps this one doesn't look great to me.

    Firstly I think those holes may be nail holes! They certainly look punched.

    I think this might be some sort of a decoration from a door etc.

    The nearest thing I can think of to this is the Victorian (because of the crown) Sun Helmet but I think OR's didn't have a plate on this and this is certainly not an officers badge which would be gilt.

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    Also I don't recall seeing such a shape of the central lozenge ie diamond rather than shield shaped.
    I am not getting a good feeling about the quality of the strike either. During the Victorian period I think even OR's badges were much more crisp (I mean on the reverse because the obverse is subject to wear). The brass looks a funny colour too when compared to period pieces that have patinated naturally. Lastly there is nothing like this badge in Kipling & King which is where I always run if I am just not sure.

    I hope to be proved wrong by someone who specialises in such items but as I say at the moment I don't like it.

    I hope this might provoke comment from those with greater knowledge.

    Regards

    Mark
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    thanks mark, when i bought it is was from an auction online, part of a "job lot" of badges buttons etc and i could only see part of it.
    I thought it may have stood a chance.
    I think you may be on the right track with it being from a door or attached to something, a great pointer. thankyou

    And yes the diamond instead of a shield has me baffled too. can't find anything similar online.
    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...."
    - Major-General John Sedgwick, 9 may 1864.
    Killed by a sniper during the battle of Spotsylvania..

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    Fire insurance plaque?????
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    An interesting plaque, but a shame it was crudely nailed to "something"...
    William

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

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    Quote by Adrian Stevenson View Post
    Fire insurance plaque?????
    It seems like it might be off a fire resistant safe. These were made locally to me by firms such as Chubb, Josiah Parkes, Union Locks and H & T Vauhgan to name but a few. The "Black Country" as this area of the Midlands is called was once the world centre for lock and safe making. Indeed, the town of Willenhall is known locally as "Humpshire" after the locksmiths who were supposedly round shouldered or hunchbacked from bending over work benches filing the lock parts.

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    Regards, Ned.
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    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
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    I really like these old safes. Everything was made with pride in the "old" days. No IKEA back then
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    Quote by big ned View Post
    It seems like it might be off a fire resistant safe.

    Regards, Ned.
    Thanks Ned, you are a star, just the right pointer, looks very similar (fixing holes) to this one:

    ORIGINAL VERY RARE ANTIQUE PRESSED BRASS ROYAL CREST SAFE PLATE DATING 1880's | eBay

    ORIGINAL VERY RARE ANTIQUE PRESSED BRASS ROYAL CREST SAFE PLATE DATING 1880's

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    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...."
    - Major-General John Sedgwick, 9 may 1864.
    Killed by a sniper during the battle of Spotsylvania..

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