Unknown Rank Insigna Maybe WW2?
Hello
I found this 2 Insignas a week ago
It seems to be from a Sargent or Corporal but this was normally not my field of collecting
The one have a Axe and a Hammer crossed and the second a F
Are they US or British or another country ?
I am very thankful for all comments and Ideas
Best regards
Bavarian
Those are U.S. Navy insignia for Chief Petty Officers. I'd have to look up the careers and exact designations.
Thank you very much for that information
I think it was from WW2 and the crossed hammers symbol says blacksmith and the F fireguard?
I am not shure
Best regards
Bavarian
You are right on that F, it is Specialist F: Fire Fighter.by Bavarian
Thank you very much for that information
I think it was from WW2 and the crossed hammers symbol says blacksmith and the F fireguard?
I am not shure
Best regards
Bavarian
"The Specialist rating was created in late 1941 to allow for new enlisted ratings that would be needed in wartime but didn't fall within the established navy structure. The first four specialists — A, I, S and P — were authorized in February 1942. Specialists could be appointed directly from civilian life to any petty officer grade depending upon their skill level. For more detailed information see John Stacey, United States Navy Rating Badges and Marks 1833 to 2008, ASMIC Pubs, 2008."
Crossed hammer and axe is for Damage controlmen.
"Damage controlmen perform the work necessary for damage control, ship stability, fire-fighting. They also prepare defenses against chemical, biological and radiological (CBR) warfare attacks. They instruct personnel in damage control and CBR defense and repair damage-control equipment and systems."
Also they are for the CPO white summer dress uniform. Winter uniform is blue. And unlike the other branches of service the navy only wears insignia on the left sleeve.
Here's a good reference web site for you -
USN WW2 Enlisted Ratings
Thank you a lot
the website says that this insignas were used to wear it on USMC uniforms in 1943
Used the Navy and USMC the M38 tropical battledress like the Army?
Best regards
Bavarian
You are most welcome I do have a lot of USN bits (jumpers etc) and it is a subject I have little knowledge on.
Sorry I thought these were blue on white but now see that they are blue on khaki. In the 1930s the navy and Marine Corps adopted khaki uniforms for use in tropical environments. The uniforms of the two branches were similar but not the same. The only naval personnel that wore USMC uniforms were sailors that served with Marines like medical corpsman and those in the chaplain service directly attached to USMC units. So these insignias would be for the NAVY tropical khaki uniform
Sick as a dog today!! thought to whack in this from somewhere I forget! & not really related but any way
US Navy
All contracts were awarded in numerical order starting with 1.Typically you see a contract example NXSX-12345 the
N-meaning naval
XS is the designation for the bureau of Supplies and Accounts which is the bureau that oversees all the contracting bureaus
the last designation represents the cognizant bureau which the account is for so an NXSX means is that the Bureau of supplies and Accounts awarded a contract on representing themselves
the other naval bureaus are as follows with thier designation
Aeronautics- A
Supplies and Accounts-X
Yards and Docks-Y
Radio division-R
Naval Personnel-P
Other-S
Medicine and Surgery-M
Ordnance-O
Secretary's Office-D
you might see an NXSA which the contract was awarded through the Bureau of supplies and accounts for the bureau of aeronautics.so the series of contracts you will encounter are
NXSX
NXSA
NXSY
NXSR
NXSP
NXSS
NXSM
NXSO
NXSD
Most of the bureaus contract through themselves their desigantions are as follows
Aeronautics-OA
Yards and docks-OY
Ships-OBS
Naval Personnel-OP
Ordnance-ORD
Marine corps-OM
Coast Guard-TCG
you will see these contracing bureau prefixes
NOA
NOY
NOBS
NOP
NORD
NOM
NTCG
There are also contract prefixes you will encounter they are 288, 140,145 and a few others these numbers represent the procurment station within the naval department.I have only been able to identify the 288 prefix this Identifies Naval Aviation Supply Depot Philidelphia (NASD) these contracts represent contracts for the bureau of aeronautics.
On a piece of naval equipment you rarely see a date only a contract number.It is possible to date a piece using the contract number.When you do see a date with a contract number that is the month/day/and fiscal year the contract was awarded not the actual date of manufacture but most likely within a few months.an example would be a date of Dec. 1943 is the fiscal year but the manufacturing carried over into 1944 so because your item is dated 1943 does not neccesarily mean it was made in 1943.
another contract prefix you will encounter is N5XS the represents the fiscal year [1945]when the series of contract numbers reached 99,999 and started over from 1.
This is a series i put together for the NXSX contracts these cannot be used for any other contracting bureau as they use there own numerical system.You can use this by plugging in your contract number and find out approximately when your item was made.
NXSX
16868 oct. 1942
19958 dec. 1942
21747 jan. 1943
23534 feb. 1943
27612 april 1943
28180 may 1943
32566 jun. 1943
37374 sept. 1943
47990 jan. 1944
51656 feb.1944
55601 mar. 1944
58293 apr. 1944
63353 may 1944
64856 jun. 1944
71083 jul. 1944
74718 aug. 1944
77162 sep. 1944
82724 oct. 1944
87107 dec. 1944
90338 jan. 1945
93082 feb. 1945
96119 mar. 1945
98850 apr. 1945
5sx 1974 may 1945
5sx 7547 jul. 1945
5sx 12406 aug. 1945
Posted 20 April 2007 - 02:55 PM
here is an update theY are not totally complete but should help
NXSS:
1687 3-42
4217 4-42
7740 6-42
11928 8-42
14079 9-42
15015 10-42
18466 11-42
21824 1-43
26505 3-43
27168 4-43
28504 5-43
33385 6-43
34738 7-43
39910 9-43
40695 10-43
42644 12-43
48178 1-44
50286 2-44
55322 3-44
58215 4-44
60848 5-44
69361 6-44
77132 9-44
NXSA:
17154 11-42
22419 1-43
29656 5-43
39220 11-43
44572 12-43
49717 2-44
62370 5-44
73850 8-44
87501 12-44
87749 1-45
NX5SA 6383 6-45
NOA:
327 2-43
471 4-43
992 6-43
3071 2-44
288s
2231 2-42
2827 3-42
7545 10-42
9575 12-42
10907 2-43
12549 3-43
13174 4-43
15000 6-43
17304 10-43
19055 12-43
20396 2-44
21627 3-44
22480 4-44
23192 5-44
24513 7-44
24986 8-44
29393 2-45
30304 4-45
31909 5-45
140s
3335 5-42
7475 7-42
16782 2-43
19931 5-43
23194 6-43
33038 9-43
37799 12-43
40627 2-44
45809 6-44
53135 9-44
58624 11-44
58639 12-44
61836 1-45
70239 5-45
71746 6-45
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