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WWII Poland cloth title with unknown Formation sign and skull cross bones

Article about: Hi friends Any clues on this Polish badge combo? The unit and history. Sellers image and has been sewn to khaki cloth.....for effect cheers Phill

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    Thats very interesting, something I've never seen before.
    Did Poland manufacture their own skulls? As it is a match for the German traditional badge.
    You wouldn't have a photo of the reverse ?
    Cheers Chris

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    Picture from book : "Foreign Volunteers of the Allied Forces 1939-45. Click on picture to enlarge.
    WWII Poland cloth title with unknown Formation sign and skull cross bones
    NIE ZAPOMNIJMY O KRESACH.

    TAK BEDZIE JAK BOG DA.

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    Thanks for the updated and detailed information Krakow1.

    Based on my original image how could you tell if the skull is legit , could we see the reverse of the skull?

    Phill

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    I have asked Tony Zawadzki who is a MOD on Polish Forum for comment. He may have a picture of the back, I do not. The one You have shown is missing the silver tress around it...
    Known example that sold at Desa Auction in Poland was 76x61 mm, tape around the border was metallic.
    Last edited by Krakow1; 10-13-2018 at 06:54 PM.
    NIE ZAPOMNIJMY O KRESACH.

    TAK BEDZIE JAK BOG DA.

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    Nice. So my theory that I stated was possibly turned out to be actually be possible. I will have to say this; that specific skull that you showed (To OP) looks a bit strange compared to the SS Totenkopf, or even the German Totenkopf, so I was suspecting that due to it's strange manufacture it could not possibly be German. On the other hand, I suspect that the Polish may have very well just taken any extras they had from since when they were part of Germany(Prussia of sorts) and used them instead.

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    Further to Krakow1's post, the 'Death's Battery' (1st Battery of the 1st Motorized Artillery regiment of the 1st Polish Armoured Division) badges are being made using readily available Braunschweig Husaren Regiment Nr.17 Offiziers totenkopfs. Here are some selling now (with an image of one added for the record as these links will eventually die):

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Husarento...ie-Mutze/25393
    4778910?hash=item3b1fb13a1e:g:-~kAAOSwFxJbxHAK:rk:7f:0

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mutzen-Ab...pf-Braunschwei
    g-Husaren-Regiment-17/163308997059?hash=item2605f989c3:g:vcAAAOSwz6pbvyA j:rk
    :13f:0

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mutzen-Ab...pf-Braunschwei
    g-Husaren-Regiment-17/112615342443?hash=item1a3865c16b:g:yjQAAOSwUoNZ7u3 I:rk
    :10f:0

    WWII Poland cloth title with unknown Formation sign and skull cross bones

    Here’s an example of such a fake selling now:

    Polish Army in Exile WW2 PSZ 1st Armored Division 1st Motor Artillery Regt patch | eBay

    WWII Poland cloth title with unknown Formation sign and skull cross bones

    There is an ongoing debate whether the Braunschweig Husaren Totenkopf was ever even used for the badge. I could go on at length about this, but it would be straying off the topic of this thread. Suffice it to say, original badges are beyond rare. The only type I would personally accept into my collection, aside from any having rock solid provenance, is the bullion threaded version made in occupied Germany in 1945 for the unit while stationed there. These were produced by some German nuns hired by the
    Poles. Also a very rare insignia:

    WWII Poland cloth title with unknown Formation sign and skull cross bones

    Here is this patch on a genuine battledress blouse showing proper placement:

    WWII Poland cloth title with unknown Formation sign and skull cross bones

    Cheers,

    Tony
    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

    "Tomorrow hopes we have learned something from yesterday." - John Wayne

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    Thanks Tony

    Always good to get clarification and details on what to look for in original examples.

    regards

    Phill

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    Very interesting thread. Well done , guys.

    I have never seen the Polish badge before but a few years ago, I spent
    a fair amount of time looking for an original Brunswick skull. I eventually
    gave up trying to find one that was the real deal.
    gregM
    Live to ride -- Ride to live

    I was addicted to the "Hokey-Pokey" but I've turned
    myself around.

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